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Very interesting read (long but interesting), regarding the performance of the 10th mountain division during Op Anaconda, what went right,  what went wrong, and why.

10th Mountain Division "No sir, we don't do that. We don't do mountains".

Lots or recommendations at the end of article.....  should make a good discussion, BV's brought up as air mobile... sound familiar?

Props given to PPCLI

"Observers on the ground, all infantry officers, say the air assault on Day 1 by 2nd Bn, 3rd Bde, 101st Airborne, and 1st Bn, 2nd Bde, 10th Mountain did not go well. According to one field-grade officer, To be brutally honest, the enemy gave them quite a spanking. I have to tell you, as the first reports of casualties and downed helicopters were coming back to us from the initial assault, all everyone could think about was BlackHawk Down! It looked that bad.

On 9 March, a week after Operation Anaconda commenced, a Canadian battle group, the 3rd Princess Patricias Canadian Light Infantry (3 PPCLI), opconned to the 3rd Bde Rakassans 101st Airborne, received orders to join 2nd Brigade 10th Mountain Division for combat operations as part of OP ANACONDA. The 3 PPCLI was ordered to clear the Whale's Back mountain on the Western side of the Shah-i-Kot Valley of an estimated 60-100 enemy holdouts dug-in or hiding in caves, and then conduct Sensitive Site Exploitation (SSE), i.e. searches of all caves and enemy fighting positions. The SSE tasking meant a detailed sweep over a linear mountain ranging in elevation from 6,500 feet (at the base) to 10,000 feet at the spine; that is, 7 kilometers long and 2 kilometers wide. The final phase of Operation Anaconda was to sweep the Whale's Back was named Operation Harpoon.

The 3PPCLI launched a battalion-strength air assault against the Whale's Back shortly after first light (0730 hours local time) on 13 March, inserting via CH-47 Chinook helicopter into a single-ship LZ at the northern end of the mountain. USMC Super-Cobra attack helicopters, AC-130 Spectre gunships, and Predator unmanned surveillance aircraft provided close air support. F-18 Hornet and A-10 Warthog jets were available on stand-by. B-52s conducted round-the-clock carpet-bombing of suspected enemy positions on the eastern side of the valley.

There were few enemy left on the Whale's Back, and the aggressive Canadians promptly engaged them with anti-tank rockets and small-arms fire, killing three. Moving tactically at 10,000 feet with full combat loads through mountain terrain, it was fortunate that the Canadians were veterans of cold-weather and mountain training. They spent five days clearing enemy positions and searching more than 30 caves; a dangerous business fraught with booby-traps, mines, and possible ambushes on the Whale's Back. They found large caches of ammunition and equipment, collected intelligence documents and maps, and searched a few dead al-Qaeda killed in the airstrikes.

The Canadian infantrymen were extracted by helicopter on 17 and 18 March bringing Operation Anaconda/ Operation Harpoon to a close. "

Complete article here

http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/realmountaindivision.htm
 
Casing said:
Unless my memory is failing me, this sounds like a passage directly out of "This Man's Army" by Andrew Exum.   See here: http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/32691.0.html

I would suggest that your memory is failing you.   There are various geocities sites that carry an unofficial after action review of Op Anaconda.   The quotes above are drawn from there.  

Exum's version would have been quite different from the above and from reality.
 
I don't care where it came from, it just makes me feel great reading about our soldiers kicking butt over in Afghanistan.
 
Jordan411 said:
I don't care where it came from, it just makes me feel great reading about our soldiers kicking butt over in Afghanistan.

You should care it could have ended disastrously for the CF and still could.  ::)
 
This comes from a series of articles posted regarding the op.

OPERATION ANACONDA by Cincinnatus for SOF magazine
Retired Colonel David Hackworth writes in a July 2, 2002 WorldNet News article No bad units, only bad leaders

The winner is the supported infantry that "gets there firstest with the mostest"

author supports BV use

"March 15, 2002

The Americans, now aware of the pitfalls of close delivery upon the insistence of Liaison officer, Major Charles Jarnot fly the 3rd PPCLI Canadian light infantry into battle by CH-47D Chinooks; but this time they land with BV-206 light tracked vehicles which roll off the rear ramp and give them ground mobility thereafter."

The baseline BV-206S/M973A2 would cost about $650,000 each. Already in production for the German Army Airborne, 50 vehicles could be quickly obtained from the manufacturer to stand up the Ground Cavalry Squadron (-) in the 101st AASLT Division's Aviation Brigade. About new 120 man-slots will be needed from ARPERSCOM to fill the new unit who would be given New Equipment Training (NET) from the manufacturer when the first M973A2 vehicles arrive

 
All aspects of this report has been discussed at length and in detail in a number of past threads.
 
But we have just sooo much fun patting ourselves on the back - over and over - three years after the fact!
 
GO!!! said:
But we have just sooo much fun patting ourselves on the back - over and over - three years after the fact!


Sounds like you missed it.  It was fun.  It can get a bit tiresome though.    :)
 
devil39 said:
Sounds like you missed it.    It was fun.   It can get a bit tiresome though.     :)

No, I was there, for the whole tour - but I'm truly sick of hearing about it - the way some people talk it up, you would think the whole tour was running up and down mountains pumping rounds into the bad guys, when in reality only a half dozen members of the BG fired their weapons in anger.

The discussions and movies posted on this site are not inaccurate, they just devote an inordianate amount of time to two operations.

I came, saw, sweated, patrolled a bit, humped a bit and played cards alot.

It sure did warm my heart to see those bronze stars handed out to the CSMs and up though. At least the snipers were recognised as well.


 
GO!!! said:
No, I was there, for the whole tour - but I'm truly sick of hearing about it - the way some people talk it up, you would think the whole tour was running up and down mountains pumping rounds into the bad guys, when in reality only a half dozen members of the BG fired their weapons in anger.

The discussions and movies posted on this site are not inaccurate, they just devote an inordianate amount of time to two operations.

I came, saw, sweated, patrolled a bit, humped a bit and played cards alot.

It sure did warm my heart to see those bronze stars handed out to the CSMs and up though. At least the snipers were recognised as well.

I hope you got some good training out of it?  I sure did. 

At my level I learned a lot about operations in a combined environment and especially C2 with the US and their assets.

Ah yes Bronze Stars (they skipped the working rank, the Coy 2IC)....I like to think they should be divided into 107 pieces and spread around.  I'm sure you know that I wear one (based on my call sign)... Proudly, I might add...... however  I understand that it is a result of the good work my troops did. 

And I would gladly not wear one... I know what we accomplished and I can be reminded of it at the odd beer call in 2VP.
 
hehe - could'nt resist a bit of a jab over the Bronze stars - we all know that you did'nt ask for them

It was watching the CSM of Cbt Service Support get one that burned so many of us.

Anyhoo, water under the bridge, no sense in getting bent out of shape now.

Cheers




 
Man, I am not even going to attempt to wade knee-deep into this pile of overly-analyzed crap.  I too, am growing sick of seeing this subject dredged up and repeatedly analyzed three years after the fact.  I'd honestly just as soon put the whole thing behind me, including the much-ballyhooed "Bronze Stars".  When will we ever let it just rest?

Some on that tour "came, saw, sweated, patrolled a bit, humped a bit and played cards alot".  Others had a different perspective, and were privvy to information that made at least two of the three air-assault operations that we did seem far more potentially onerous than they actually turned out to be.  Perspective is everything.  Not that any of it matters in hindsight.

On a related note, the U.S. chain of command's decision to award the Meritorious Bronze Star to the 3 PPCLI BG leadership has been repeatedly discussed to the point of absurdity.  I don't think that you will find one recipient of that medal (myself included) who honestly believes that they did anything exceptional to deserve it.  We simply did our assigned jobs as OCs and CSMs.  The fact that our U.S. Allies chose to award the medals as a political "thanks for coming out" was simply the way that they do business.  I didn't expect it, not did I experience any particular pride in receiving it.  The DCO (Steve Borland) truly said it best when he stated that the awarding of the medal to the BG leadership was representative of the unit as a whole, and that was how he would think of the medal.  You can refute that all you like, but it is the honest truth and that is how I also genuinely view it.  And quite frankly, any nay-sayers can go f@#k themselves.  Particularly those who weren't there.

All of the above to say that I have become sick and tired of having Op Apollo dredged up.  Sure, it was great to talk about for a while after we came home.  But the fact of the matter is that we've all since moved on. 

I say "Let sleeping dogs lie".  Give it a frigging rest.
 
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