Past Predicts Future? check this out!-Nostradamus

[Maverick]

I was watching a discovery channel special presentation on Nostradamus (Nost.) and hearing his predictions that haven't yet been met sends chills to my spine.

Nost. has given us predictions such as 2 of the 3 anti-Christs, Hitler, and Napoleon. He has envisioned the entire John F. Kennedy shooting and then his brother later that night. The World Trade Centre bombings and attacks. and MANY more.

Now I am not a person to believe in things like this, I don't even believe in God, but after watching this show I was chilled to hear the predictions that haven't happened yet but weirdly intrigued.

Nost. next prediction is of the 3rd anti Christ "Mabus", and a war that will last 27 years. The guy who was narrating the show has been studying Nost. for his entire life and translated his predictions into the above statements for the future, so there is scepticism that this could be BS because look at "Mabus", he says backwords its "Sudam" but that lower case "d" doesn't do him justice, then he goes on about in the language of anagrams or something u drop the first and last letter or something like that and you get "abu" which is the name of several terrorists around the world, and then lastly he did something with another language and the letters again and ended up getting "Usama". I'm sitting in front of the TV in like aw over this entire show and then he says that Nost. predictions hint at dates and he said that World War 3, where the next anti-Christ will be revealed, will either start in a month or in 1 year and will last 27 years, THEN he says that the 3rd anti-Christ might be someone we have yet to see...

wow...

I'm sure there are more people out there who know more about this then i do that are on here, but this could flare up a discussion.

Who do you think the 3rd anti-Christ is?
Most of us on here are soldiers or soldiers in the making, how do you feel of the idea of a war that will last 27 years?

There are lots of holes in my grammar and English, even though I'm a Canadian, so i am sorry if it isn't University Graduate written. Feel free to clean it up   ;D

 

[Ryan_Bohm]

Wow, that seems real interesting. I wish I would have caught that show on TV. A war of 27 years with the economy the way it is, would be very devasting to the country as a whole especailly since you noted that it will start in a month or a year from now. Especially with the state of our forces right now we are so stretched thin with our deployments overseas. The americans are running a huge deficit with opearions in Irag as well as Afghanistan. And to start in a major conflict that would last 27 years would also be devasting to their economy. Look at theirs now.  They are running a huge deficit and not increasing taxes. Also this could spite a change in the "superpower" role .

Mavrick - Any other details on this war. ? 

 

[Pieman]

Hi Maverick,

I think I saw the show you are talking about. Yes, the history of Nost. is quite interesting and colorful. In fact, one of my college roomates had a book with all of Nost. writings. They were hundreds of little passages that read like a Picasso painting, clear as mud, and could be interpreted in a thousand different ways. Some of the passages were pointed out to have actually happened with a reference to a historical event, in which most of them the connection was so weak it was funny. It was even worse quality of one of those Astrology readings you get in your local paper. The predictions connecting the name of the third ani-christ to Sadam or Usam or whoever are pretty weak. I am sure another bad guy will pop up with a name like 'Mark Scaryman' and they will say, well you just take 'Mabus' and just pernounce the 'us' like 'ark', which is how it was in the old days. (which of course no one currently living actually heard people speaking back then. But that is besides the point, right?)

One thing I do reccommend to you is a fantastic book written by the late Carl Sagan, called 'The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark'. It is an amazing book that demonstrates critical thinking and analysis. It shows the dangers of using forms non-objective beliefs to create your picture of the world and it will seriously change the way you look at things. Sagan was a pretty smart man.

Pieman

 

[Ryan_Bohm]

I think its important to take things like this with a grain of salt. A perfect example are with the stories in the bible. They are not intended to be taken literally but as stories to teach its readers a important lesson. I think this could be the case with the "nost" 

 

[Maverick]

Ok i did a little running around on the Discovery Channel site and back tracked to find out what i watched, when i watched it and the next time its on.

http://www.exn.ca/ontv/series.asp?series=43601166&TZ=0

u'll notice that its on in a few days, i urge every one to watch it, i am gonna tape it just so i can review this stuff once in a while....

ur both right about taking this litely though...or are you? DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN... 

enjoy the show!

 

[hiv]

These shows are so silly. Did you know that Nostradamus wrote thousands and thousands of predictions? The majority of which never came true at all? I bet if I sat down and wrote 10,000 predictions for the future I would be bound to get a few right.

And the whole anagram thing. You could take any word and manipulate in any number of ways to get the results you desire.

These future predictions are interesting to watch but I wouldn't exactly plan my future around them.

 

[Torlyn]

I'd like to see the discovery channel do an exposé on how many of his predictions were wrong...  Be a much longer show.    Pieman, that's the book where he discusses psuedo-science, right?  Reads a bit like Foundation?

B.N.S.

 

[Pieman]

That's the one! Ah, I misquoted the name of the book, I read it over six years ago. It is:
'The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark' by Carl Sagan.

Mentioning it made me go to my bookshelf and have a look at it again, I note one of my favorite quotes from it:

"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense." - Carl Sagan

 

[Maverick]

ya your definately right, i could write out 10,000 predictions and im bound to get a few right.

No i am not basing my future on his predicitions LOL

thanks smart ppls

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

Just my opinion, but Nostradamus' writings are no more genuine than horoscopes or fortune cookies.

They are simply so generic that they could be applied in a thousand different ways, and in the past have been.

It's always good to keep an open mind, but at this point I am highly sceptical....




Matthew. 

 

[Infanteer]

I believe Nostradomas' predictions were written in a very cryptic form of his own code and is open to interpretation.  For example, his word in his "prediction" of Hitler was hister, which was a term used in reference to the Danube; you could predict anything if you give yourself that much margin of error.

As well, they seem to keep bumping up the dates for the end of the world, if you look at books about him written in the '70s, you'll see many figured we were due up for an apocalypse in the mid '80s.

Sensationalism if you ask me, but it seems to be popular throughout the ages.

 

[hiv]

That's the one! Ah, I misquoted the name of the book, I read it over six years ago. It is:
'The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark' by Carl Sagan.

Mentioning it made me go to my bookshelf and have a look at it again, I note one of my favorite quotes from it:

"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense." - Carl Sagan

I read that book not long ago and I have to say it was quite the excellent read. It was nice to have an educated man dispel a lot of prominent myths that seem to propagate all too frequently.

 

[Armymedic]

Ref: predictions of Nostradamus,

It is interesting how many people point to Hitler as one of the satans he predicts. This one is very difficult to argue. But Napoleon? Primairly the British would have considered him a "satan", but he did have as many allies as enemies.

It is funny how egocentric interpretations of writings of this sort can be. For most,  we base it on a western Anglo-American view, but we forget there are 6 BILLION others on the planet with us.


On another note, always remember that one man's terrorist, may be another man's freedom fighter.

 

[Maverick]

On another note, always remember that one man's terrorist, may be another man's freedom fighter.

Very true my friend.

 

[Johnny_B_Goode]

>  Abu Musab al-Zarqawi  is the 3rd antichrist !!!!  >

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/crime/terrorists/abu-musab-al-zarqawi/


this is why i belive this guy is the third antichrist...

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this following is quoted from an other forum...

The Discovery Channel had a show on about the predictions of Nostradamus. Each of the "Anti-Christs" that he called by name have been predicted. Napoleon and Hitler, Nostradamus is less clear who this third is, but Nostradamus calls him mubas which twisted around sounds like Sadum...so some say. What do you think? I find it all very interesting and have always thought we should learn from our past whether it be fact or written possibilities. So far we have yet to learn from our mistakes.

Here it is:
Mabus
Century 2, Quatrain 62
Mabus plus tost alors mourra, viendra,
De gens & bestes vn horrible defaite:
Puis tout à coup la vengeance on verra,
Cent, main, faim quand courra la comete.

Translation:
Mabus then will soon die, there will come
A horrible undoing of people and animals:
At once vengeance one will see vengeance,
One hundred hands, thirst, famine, when the comet will run.



Two interpretation's of this is:

John Hogue's Interpretation
"... When contemplating future events in more distant lands, the prophet’s vision tends to be cloudier. What does come through clearly is the fact that this Third and final Antichrist is not a prominent European leader. He may even be a minor player in a future conflict, an insignificant terrorist such as Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian nationalist who assassinated Archduke Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo, triggering World War I.
The man we know as Mabus may be some obscure future terrorist who, if he is not identified and restrained in time, will trigger World War III and the extinction of civilization as we have known it. "

An argument could be made that upon this classical foundation, Nostradamus is building a prophecy for the near-future debacle of Saddam Hussein from within, by a Persian (Iranian) ally.

Try this experiment: Take a piece of paper and write "SAddAM." Hold it in front of a mirror.

The mysterious Mabus could be one of dozens of Saddam Hussein’s more sophisticated Al Abbas versions of his Scud missiles. Mabus therefore becomes a weapon launched by the Antichrist in a surprise attack."


Erika Cheetham's Interpretation
"Nostradamus mentions a comet together with destruction and war. The "hundred hands" is evocative of the many refugee camps all over the world, where people are suffering from thirst and hunger. When Halley’s Comet passed in 1986 there were famines in Africa, the Far East and South America. Is Mabus the name, possible an anagram, of the Third Antichrist to come? Ms. Cheetham believes it more likely that he is envisaged as a forerunner, so the time of the Antichrist is still awaited. "

More:

Century 2, Quatrain 89

One day the two great leaders will become friends (and/or "halved, split"),
Their great power will be seen to increase:
The new land will be at the height of its power (America),
To the bloody one the numbers are reported.

Century 4, Quatrain 95

The rule will be left to two; they will hold it for a very short time.
Three years and seven months passed, they will go to war:
Their two vassals rebel against them,
The victor is born on Armenian (?) soil.

Century 8, Quatrain 77

The Antichrist very soon annihilates the three,
Twenty-seven years the blood of his war will last.
The unbelievers are dead, captive, exiled;
With blood, human bodies, water and red hail covering the earth.


Prophecies of the (Near) Future?
(From the Epistle to Henry II)

"Then the great empire of the Antichrist will begin where Attila and Xerxes descended (Central Asia and Persia/Iran) -- in numbers great and countless, so many that the coming of the Holy Ghost, proceeding from the 48th degree will make a transmigration, driving out the abomination of the Antichrist [who is] making war against the Royal who will be the great Vicar of Jesus Christ, and against his Church, and his reign for a time and to the end of time."

"And this will be preceded by a solar eclipse more dark than any since the creation of the world..., and there shall be in the month of October some great movement and transference and it will be such that one will think that the Earth has lots its natural movement, and that it will be plunged into the abyss of perpetual darkness; there will be initial omens in the spring, and extraordinary changes in rapid succession thereafter, reversals of kingdoms and mighty earthquakes, with the increase of the new Babylon..., augmented by the abomination of the first Holocaust, and it will last no less than 73 years and 7 months..."

"And then great peace will be established, union and concord between the children of the frontiers who have been gathered and separated by diverse reigns..."

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Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has links and contacts within Iran, has interests of causing a possible civil war inside Irak to destablize the region and remove american focus on Iran, Iran is developing nuclar weapons as we speak, Nostradamus called by name the third Anti-Christ that he called "Mabus"  -- Abu Musab -- al-Zarqawi  >


Prophecy is at our doorstep!!!! 

Johnny B Goode 

 

[meg]

It kind of all puts me in mind of the prophecy given to Richard the Lion-Heart of his death.  (Please forgive any mistakes...it's been a while since I heard the story).  A visionary told the king that he would die in Jerusalem...which of course made the king happy, since he wanted to go have a glorious Crusade.  But he ended up being wounded during a seige in France (?) because he was riding around without any armour, refused medical treatment, and died of blood poisoning in Jerusalem Chapel, in one of the big cathedrals.  Prophecies and predicitons are by their very nature obscure and applicable to many situations...it's fun to read them, but don't give them too much weight.

On a slightly different note...Napolean is one of the anti-christ?  Really?  I know that he was no saint, but he didn't seem that bad in my high school history course.  Besides, didn't many of the Western governments adopt Napoleanic laws and systems?  I'm sure we could think of a few people who were worse.

 

[Hunter]

I was watching a discovery channel special presentation on Nostradamus (Nost.) and hearing his predictions that haven't yet been met sends chills to my spine.

Nost. has given us predictions such as 2 of the 3 anti-Christs, Hitler, and Napoleon. He has envisioned the entire John F. Kennedy shooting and then his brother later that night. The World Trade Centre bombings and attacks. and MANY more.

I've always found Nostradamus' work pretty interesting, but a couple of things.  First, JFK was killed on 22 NOV 1963, and Robert Kennedy on 05 JUN 1968.  Not the same day.   Also, the quatrain about the 9-11 attacks has been shown to be a hoax:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historical/a/nostradamus.htm

Critics of Nostradamus say that his quatrains leave too much too interpretation, but to me that could be one of two things.  One, simply his style of communication.  His prose sounds much more mystical than saying, "I think, well, maybe this little fat dude, I think he's french or something, is going to start a war.  And then later these flying pigs are going to have a war in the air".  Also, if in fact he was having visions of the future, perhaps his writings were based on his best interpretations of future events and technology that he could not conceive of?  I remember seeing a show on him a couple of years ago on the History Channel, and in his writings that appear to predict World War 2, he makes reference to pig-faced men in the air, and some reference to their extraordinary ability to communicate with each other over great distances.  The show suggested that perhaps what he had seen was a pilot wearing an oxygen mask, communicating on a radio.  How else would you explain it to someone in the 15th century?  Just some food for thought.