Pedophile fears 'jail justice'

[JBoyd]

http://torontosun.com/News/Canada/2007/12/18/4729968-sun.html

This snippit from the Toronto Sun clears it up some. If hes in a segregated cell, is the even a risk of him being in the same areas as the rest of the prison population?

I would venture to say that segregated did not mean solitary, and he may come in contact with members of the general population at certain points. Perhaps there is someone around here that has in-depth knowledge of our correctional system?

 

[armyvern]

http://torontosun.com/News/Canada/2007/12/18/4729968-sun.html

This snippit from the Toronto Sun clears it up some. If hes in a segregated cell, is the even a risk of him being in the same areas as the rest of the prison population?

In what is arguably a first in Canadian law, a supposedly "insane" pedophile already locked up indefinitely in a maximum-security mental institute was yesterday declared a dangerous offender, a judgment that will see Paul Delorme go from the Penetanguishene Mental Health Centre to a segregated cell at the Kingston Pen

Well see, he's now just moving to a segregated cell due to yesterday's "dangerous offender" ruling. That still isn't solitary confinement though.

 

[medaid]

hehehe... segregated cells are just terms for delaying the inevitable. People like him disgust me... I should care about their fears because?

 

[Thompson_JM]

hehehe... segregated cells are just terms for delaying the inevitable. People like him disgust me... I should care about their fears because?

Excatly...

I could care less if it makes us as a society look cold and callous..... at least if the #$%-pump is dead there is a 0% Chance of him re-offending.

and sure the lawyer may be "just doing his job" but lets not gloss over the fact that alot of these defense lawyers really are slimebags who dont give two craps about their clients.. only the paycheque at the end of the day.

Anyone in Law ive met who still has a strong moral and ethical code usually goes Crown, not Defense. or they stay away from the criminal system all together.

just my .02

 

[ixium]

I could care less if it makes us as a society look cold and callous..... at least if the #$%-pump is dead there is a 0% Chance of him re-offending.

Are you living in Canada? We do not put people to their deaths. Even if they commit crimes in other countries where the death penelty is legal, Canadians aren't put to death(most cases). Even in USA pedophiles can't be put to death.

Put him in a cell. Give him his 1 hour a day outside in a small enclosed space alone. Feed him his 3 meals a day and leave it at that.

 

[geo]

Hmmm...
wouldn't it be nice to tie his testicles to a fixture in a woden room.  Give him a knife as a "key" to get out of jail..... and set his cell on fire.

The fella would have a decision to make......

 

[medaid]

Are you living in Canada? We do not put people to their deaths. Even if they commit crimes in other countries where the death penelty is legal, Canadians aren't put to death(most cases). Even in USA pedophiles can't be put to death.

Put him in a cell. Give him his 1 hour a day outside in a small enclosed space alone. Feed him his 3 meals a day and leave it at that.

I sure do live in Canada. Obviously you've never been to a correctional facility or have done anything close to LE. Funny thing with people is that they are very cunning at getting what they want, and that includes those who reside in side those penitentiary walls. If the inmates want to get someone, sometimes despite all the efforts of the Correctional Staff, the inmates will still get them. Welcome to reality.

No one is putting them to their deaths, the pedophiles, child molesters, sex assaulter, rapists,  and child abusers signed their own death warrants. WE as a society will continue to believe that they'll be rehabilitated and all the BS. I don't buy it, and neither does most people. Most of these people will never show remorse, and sometimes when they do, they are fake and aren't very sincere.

Sorry if I or Tommy seem a little callous. Oh and another thing, why should I spend my hard earned money to keep him in a segregated cell? Or in a segregated wing? Or have special treatment? Extra staff just so this F^cktard can go about the rest of his miserable life and get out eighter at 1/3 or 2/3 Statutory release?! WAKE UP!

 

[Thompson_JM]

Are you living in Canada? We do not put people to their deaths. Even if they commit crimes in other countries where the death penelty is legal, Canadians aren't put to death(most cases). Even in USA pedophiles can't be put to death.

Put him in a cell. Give him his 1 hour a day outside in a small enclosed space alone. Feed him his 3 meals a day and leave it at that.

Would you still feel that way if it was your daughter he raped? what if you were the victim?

ive seen people affected by senseless violence and crime... youre obviously living in dream world if you think these guys can be rehibilitated... and obviously making too much money if youre ok with your tax dollars going towards babysitting this scum.

I never said kill him... (implied maybe....) I just say throw him in general population and let Darwinism sort out the rest.

 

[medaid]

I never said kill him... (implied maybe....) I just say throw him in general population and let Darwinism sort out the rest.

Um... no mate... Darwinism is what got us here in the first place...

 

[ixium]

You're right. I doubt I'd feel the same way. If it directly affected me I would have a totally different outlook. Which is why laws are in place.

But, the problem is, any crime done is going to affect somebody in a negative way.

Even 'minor' crimes such as b&e's can potentially ruin peoples lives. They become fearful of anyone around their houses, they become obsessive about security at their homes, they are scared to be alone in their own homes.

I never said that he can be rehabilitated. I said lock him in his own little room away from everyone and have his own little personal time in an enclosed fenced in area.

Why even bring up taxes? This isn't a money issue, its a morality issue. And there are alot worse things that taxes go towards then just the prison system. Like the recent 4% payraises to hundreds of political appointees.

No one is putting them to their deaths, the pedophiles, child molesters, sex assaulter, rapists,  and child abusers signed their own death warrants.

Why are murderers or gang leaders or any thing else put up there? Is murdering someone not as bad as raping them?

The guy has an obvious problem. He needs to be kept off the streets. Forever. Sending him to his death isn't going to make those little girls any less traumatized.

 

[Thompson_JM]

Um... no mate... Darwinism is what got us here in the first place...

I disagree.... My personal veiw is that we are not letting Dawinism work anymore.... too many stupid people out there getting babied and spoon fed everything. it feels like we as a society have gone too soft and too far to the left... I have no intention of wanting a police state, but I do think the pendulim needs to swing back to the center at least...

and yes. Ixium, obviously all crimes are negative....
but it costs more as i understand it to isolate inmates then it does to just throw em in general population.
hence why should my tax dollars go towards fixing these lost causes when it could be going to much better expenses in society, ie public health care, education, community safety etc....

i have no problem paying for us to have places to put people away. but it should never be a place that someone wants to go... it should be a kind of place where even hardened criminals should fear going....  no more of this minimum security country club garbage.
but, im getting out of my lanes here... im sure Mr Monkhouse could enlighten us with the reality of the ontario correctional system... and probabbly give us an idea as to how the federal one works too.

either way, i say when you violate the laws of the land. and have been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt in a fair trial. you forfeit most of the rights afforded to you by civil society.

the thing with Gang members, is although they do commit crime everywhere, they tend to take care of each other... bloods and crips etc will just kill eachother off... the problem with letting them do this, is that innocents will get caught in the crossfire.
Like Jane Creba the 15 year old shot dead on boxing day outside the eatons center...

We make crime tougher and clamp down on these slimebags then there will be less willingness to commit the crime.

 

[Roy Harding]

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The guy has an obvious problem. He needs to be kept off the streets. Forever. Sending him to his death isn't going to make those little girls any less traumatized.

Seems to me that capital punishment would satisfy that need quite handily.

 

[armyvern]

Excatly...

I could care less if it makes us as a society look cold and callous..... at least if the #$%-pump is dead there is a 0% Chance of him re-offending.

and sure the lawyer may be "just doing his job" but lets not gloss over the fact that alot of these defense lawyers really are slimebags who dont give two craps about their clients.. only the paycheque at the end of the day.

Anyone in Law ive met who still has a strong moral and ethical code usually goes Crown, not Defense. or they stay away from the criminal system all together.
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I feel really sad for you, and your attitude.

Right now, right here in Canada, someone is thinking your a slimebag by the virtue of the fact you're in the military. Some of those people are indeed law-abiding & upstanding citizens.

Hopefully, you never find yourself wrongfully accused of a crime for which you need defending, by your own words we should just be callous and say "fuck you" ... you can rot. No trial for you ... nada ... because defense lawyers are mostly slimebags.

Here's to you ... glad you have nothing to do with our justice system.

:cheers:

:

 

[ixium]

Seems to me that capital punishment would satisfy that need quite handily.

Wouldn't happen even in countries where capital punishment exists. And even if it was punishable by death there would be many years of appeals which would still waste everyones money and time.

Having someone die from another prisoner is not justice. Especially when everyone knows that its going to happen.

 

[medaid]

Why even bring up taxes? This isn't a money issue, its a morality issue. And there are alot worse things that taxes go towards then just the prison system. Like the recent 4% payraises to hundreds of political appointees.

Sure is a money issue to me. I'd rather my tax dollar go towards Child Care, strengthening the CF, and a variety of other great things to do with my tax dollars. Morality? How do you speak of morales for someone who obviously has none? That's what got him in this bind in the first place no?

Why are murderers or gang leaders or any thing else put up there? Is murdering someone not as bad as raping them?

Nope I'm not saying that at all. But if you look at it from a truly dark point of you, if you're dead, you're dead. Nothing comes afterwards for YOU. You rape, sexually assault or even attempt to do so... you leave a lasting effect, which would cause the victims to affect someone elese the vicious cycle continues...

The guy has an obvious problem. He needs to be kept off the streets. Forever. Sending him to his death isn't going to make those little girls any less traumatized.

You're contradicting yourself here man. No one is advocating for the death sentence... however, if they've perished, they won't be hurting anyone else now would they? Sure it won't lessen the trauma for the victims, but at least they can breath a bit easier knowing that the person who did this to them won't be doing it to anyone else... or them EVER again.

 

[Roy Harding]

Wouldn't happen even in countries where capital punishment exists. And even if it was punishable by death there would be many years of appeals which would still waste everyones money and time.

Having someone die from another prisoner is not justice. Especially when everyone knows that its going to happen.

I didn't say it would happen, nor did I advocate having him killed by fellow inmates.

I simply stated that capital punishment would satisfy the "need" that YOU articulated regarding keeping him of the streets.

 

[JBoyd]

Having someone die from another prisoner is not justice. Especially when everyone knows that its going to happen.

Even if he survives prison and is ever released he will be placed on the national sex offender registry, and I dont suspect he would last long in the public either.

 

[armyvern]

Would you still feel that way if it was your daughter he raped? what if you were the victim?

ive seen people affected by senseless violence and crime... youre obviously living in dream world if you think these guys can be rehibilitated... and obviously making too much money if youre ok with your tax dollars going towards babysitting this scum.

I never said kill him... (implied maybe....) I just say throw him in general population and let Darwinism sort out the rest.

Someone else besides a defense lawyer is now a scumbag because they don't mind seeing their tax dollars go towards "babysitting" this scum?

You are right the fuck out of it.

The choice you've given that person was "death" or babysitting" -- it sure as hell wasn't "freedom" or "babysitting" -- anyone in their right fucking mind would choose "babysitting" over freedom.

Like it or not, this IS Canada and we DON'T have the death penalty (and doubt we would for rape/child molestation -- that tends to be a punishment reserved for those who kill someone) ... so the ONLY choice is "babysitting." Keep your scumbag comments to yourself.

BTW, the death penalty debate is happening in another thread.

Eerily, as you mention daughters ... there is another thread going on right now where a female teacher slept with one her 14 year old male students. There are actually people in there asking why the teacher's being punished as this would be "every adult male's dream" to be seduced by their teacher and that the student is probably the 'hero' of all his friends.  :  

Funny that, "what would you say if the teacher were male and the student your 14 year old daughter" was exactly what I wanted to type in response to that little bit of bullshit.

LAWS are applicable ALL the time, how dare you infer that someone is "making way too much money" if they agree with rapists & child molestors being "babysat." That's the ONLY choice we have here besides them being free.

Apparently, according to you -- we are only worthy of making money (or of not being labelled as scumbags along with the defense lawyers) if we advocate purposefully and with intent --- sending them into general population knowing that their death would occur as a result.
You are a troll.

 

[Roy Harding]

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BTW, the death penalty debate is happening in another thread.
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Good point.  You can find that debate here:  http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/threads/37722.0.html

I'll restrict my death penalty remarks to that thread, and stop hijacking this one.


Roy

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

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In one court-ordered psychiatric evaluation, for example, Dr. Stephen Hucker, one of the province's top forensic psychiatrists, wrote that he found "no evidence of any current major mental illness" when it came to Delorme, and that it was "clear" to him, and to other psychiatrists, that Delorme had "gained little or nothing" from all the therapeutic attempts that had been made with him over the years.

Here's a secret the "reabilitation" industry doesn't want you to know...................." therapeutic attempts" do not work.

This is his sexual orientation, now ask yourself; do you think taking a course could ever change you from straight to gay or visa versa??   I thought not.......