Pipelines, energy and natural resources

[SeaKingTacco]

Is there anything preventing a band from electing their hereditaries to the council recognized by the Federal government under the Indian act? I am unaware of anything.

If the hereditaries are butthurt because their people don't trust them as effective agents that is not my fault.

I am not an expert, but the little I have heard is that (some? Most? All?) Hereditary Chiefs refuse to participate in the imposed Indian Act system, to avoid giving it legitimacy.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I am not an expert, but the little I have heard is that (some? Most? All?) Hereditary Chiefs refuse to participate in the imposed Indian Act system, to avoid giving it legitimacy.

Because they lose out on it and they have to be accountable under it.

 

[Kirkhill]

Because they lose out on it and they have to be accountable under it.

But the rest of the band is willing to play by the rules?

If so then, again, not my problem.

 

[Brad Sallows]

But the rest of the band is willing to play by the rules?

If so then, again, not my problem.

Oh, but it is your problem. It is everyone's problem. If a local government is dysfunctional and incapable of maintaining basic infrastructure, is there any practical hope that they will be told they're SOL and will have to unfuck themselves or do without, with no money from any other government?

 

[Kirkhill]

Oh, but it is your problem. It is everyone's problem. If a local government is dysfunctional and incapable of maintaining basic infrastructure, is there any practical hope that they will be told they're SOL and will have to unfuck themselves or do without, with no money from any other government?

That is now my agent's problem. If the people that I elected are ineffective at influencing events then I need new agents.

 

[Brad Sallows]

That is now my agent's problem. If the people that I elected are ineffective at influencing events then I need new agents.

After that has failed a few cycles, it should be clear that a new structure of governance is needed. For my part, I've seen enough tut-tut hand-wringing and inaction. The incumbents have demonstrated they either cannot or will not improve - it doesn't matter which.

 

[MilEME09]

After that has failed a few cycles, it should be clear that a new structure of governance is needed. For my part, I've seen enough tut-tut hand-wringing and inaction. The incumbents have demonstrated they either cannot or will not improve - it doesn't matter which.

And they wont, it means change must be forced upon them for the good of the people unfortunately

 

[lenaitch]

I am not an expert, but the little I have heard is that (some? Most? All?) Hereditary Chiefs refuse to participate in the imposed Indian Act system, to avoid giving it legitimacy.

I recall an instance a few years ago in either Alberta or BC surrounding some dam, pipeline, forest cutting or other event of the day when a hereditary chief was 'disenfranchised' by their council because they took a contrary view. It seems 'hereditary' can have a fluid meaning.

One things that needs to be remembered is the governance that really matters is the actual tribal or 'nation' governance. All of the various 'assemblies', provincial bodies and umbrella groups are really just lobby groups. They carry weight to be sure but they are not 'governments'.

I agree that conflicts between elected and 'traditional' governance needs to be sorted out internally. We don't know if this latest group objecting to a project even has weight with their own people.

 

[FSTO]

Re: FN support. It seems our National media and anti pipeline folks only like to talk to hereditary chiefs because they reflect their ideals. We rarely hear from FN folks who support development. Are they scared to talk? Are there FN businesses who just keep their heads down? I don’t know.
When Jason Kenny was on CBC he raised the thought that the CBC doesn’t seek out FN pipeline supporters, David Common’s bald head burst into flames as he tried to defend mother corp.

 

[lenaitch]

Re: FN support. It seems our National media and anti pipeline folks only like to talk to hereditary chiefs because they reflect their ideals. We rarely hear from FN folks who support development. Are they scared to talk? Are there FN businesses who just keep their heads down? I don’t know.
When Jason Kenny was on CBC he raised the thought that the CBC doesn’t seek out FN pipeline supporters, David Common’s bald head burst into flames as he tried to defend mother corp.

Perhaps. It's all media attention. If supporters were or became organized and held press conferences and demonstrations they would probably get media attention.

Keep in mind that, even with a democratically elected chief and council, pure democracy does not thrive on a FNT. Council still still decides who gets housing, some jobs and, to certain extent, who gets to live there. Politics and Family Compact-type conditions are alive and well on a FNT.

 

[Rifleman62]

It's an Industry.

 

[Kirkhill]

Perhaps. It's all media attention. If supporters were or became organized and held press conferences and demonstrations they would probably get media attention.

Keep in mind that, even with a democratically elected chief and council, pure democracy does not thrive on a FNT. Council still still decides who gets housing, some jobs and, to certain extent, who gets to live there. Politics and Family Compact-type conditions are alive and well on a FNT.

They too have their entrenched Establishments.

Our Government and Establishment regularly act at all levels in ways which displeases some/most of us. That doesn't stop them from acting.

Until now at least.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Re: FN support. It seems our National media and anti pipeline folks only like to talk to hereditary chiefs because they reflect their ideals. We rarely hear from FN folks who support development. Are they scared to talk? Are there FN businesses who just keep their heads down? I don’t know.
When Jason Kenny was on CBC he raised the thought that the CBC doesn’t seek out FN pipeline supporters, David Common’s bald head burst into flames as he tried to defend mother corp.

There are FN groups out there trying to change the tune, but the media ignores them. Their opposition all claim they are "bought" so not the true voice. The reality is many of the opposition groups are actually bought and I would be be surprised that the real source of their funds are US oil industry who want to keep the status qua of cheap Canadian oil to the US.

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[Kirkhill]

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