Pipelines, energy and natural resources

[SeaKingTacco]

Is there anything preventing a band from electing their hereditaries to the council recognized by the Federal government under the Indian act? I am unaware of anything.

If the hereditaries are butthurt because their people don't trust them as effective agents that is not my fault.

I am not an expert, but the little I have heard is that (some? Most? All?) Hereditary Chiefs refuse to participate in the imposed Indian Act system, to avoid giving it legitimacy.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I am not an expert, but the little I have heard is that (some? Most? All?) Hereditary Chiefs refuse to participate in the imposed Indian Act system, to avoid giving it legitimacy.

Because they lose out on it and they have to be accountable under it.

 

[Kirkhill]

Because they lose out on it and they have to be accountable under it.

But the rest of the band is willing to play by the rules?

If so then, again, not my problem.

 

[Brad Sallows]

But the rest of the band is willing to play by the rules?

If so then, again, not my problem.

Oh, but it is your problem. It is everyone's problem. If a local government is dysfunctional and incapable of maintaining basic infrastructure, is there any practical hope that they will be told they're SOL and will have to unfuck themselves or do without, with no money from any other government?

 

[Kirkhill]

Oh, but it is your problem. It is everyone's problem. If a local government is dysfunctional and incapable of maintaining basic infrastructure, is there any practical hope that they will be told they're SOL and will have to unfuck themselves or do without, with no money from any other government?

That is now my agent's problem. If the people that I elected are ineffective at influencing events then I need new agents.

 

[Brad Sallows]

That is now my agent's problem. If the people that I elected are ineffective at influencing events then I need new agents.

After that has failed a few cycles, it should be clear that a new structure of governance is needed. For my part, I've seen enough tut-tut hand-wringing and inaction. The incumbents have demonstrated they either cannot or will not improve - it doesn't matter which.

 

[MilEME09]

After that has failed a few cycles, it should be clear that a new structure of governance is needed. For my part, I've seen enough tut-tut hand-wringing and inaction. The incumbents have demonstrated they either cannot or will not improve - it doesn't matter which.

And they wont, it means change must be forced upon them for the good of the people unfortunately

 

[lenaitch]

I am not an expert, but the little I have heard is that (some? Most? All?) Hereditary Chiefs refuse to participate in the imposed Indian Act system, to avoid giving it legitimacy.

I recall an instance a few years ago in either Alberta or BC surrounding some dam, pipeline, forest cutting or other event of the day when a hereditary chief was 'disenfranchised' by their council because they took a contrary view. It seems 'hereditary' can have a fluid meaning.

One things that needs to be remembered is the governance that really matters is the actual tribal or 'nation' governance. All of the various 'assemblies', provincial bodies and umbrella groups are really just lobby groups. They carry weight to be sure but they are not 'governments'.

I agree that conflicts between elected and 'traditional' governance needs to be sorted out internally. We don't know if this latest group objecting to a project even has weight with their own people.

 

[FSTO]

Re: FN support. It seems our National media and anti pipeline folks only like to talk to hereditary chiefs because they reflect their ideals. We rarely hear from FN folks who support development. Are they scared to talk? Are there FN businesses who just keep their heads down? I don’t know.
When Jason Kenny was on CBC he raised the thought that the CBC doesn’t seek out FN pipeline supporters, David Common’s bald head burst into flames as he tried to defend mother corp.

 

[lenaitch]

Re: FN support. It seems our National media and anti pipeline folks only like to talk to hereditary chiefs because they reflect their ideals. We rarely hear from FN folks who support development. Are they scared to talk? Are there FN businesses who just keep their heads down? I don’t know.
When Jason Kenny was on CBC he raised the thought that the CBC doesn’t seek out FN pipeline supporters, David Common’s bald head burst into flames as he tried to defend mother corp.

Perhaps. It's all media attention. If supporters were or became organized and held press conferences and demonstrations they would probably get media attention.

Keep in mind that, even with a democratically elected chief and council, pure democracy does not thrive on a FNT. Council still still decides who gets housing, some jobs and, to certain extent, who gets to live there. Politics and Family Compact-type conditions are alive and well on a FNT.

 

[Rifleman62]

It's an Industry.

 

[Kirkhill]

Perhaps. It's all media attention. If supporters were or became organized and held press conferences and demonstrations they would probably get media attention.

Keep in mind that, even with a democratically elected chief and council, pure democracy does not thrive on a FNT. Council still still decides who gets housing, some jobs and, to certain extent, who gets to live there. Politics and Family Compact-type conditions are alive and well on a FNT.

They too have their entrenched Establishments.

Our Government and Establishment regularly act at all levels in ways which displeases some/most of us. That doesn't stop them from acting.

Until now at least.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Re: FN support. It seems our National media and anti pipeline folks only like to talk to hereditary chiefs because they reflect their ideals. We rarely hear from FN folks who support development. Are they scared to talk? Are there FN businesses who just keep their heads down? I don’t know.
When Jason Kenny was on CBC he raised the thought that the CBC doesn’t seek out FN pipeline supporters, David Common’s bald head burst into flames as he tried to defend mother corp.

There are FN groups out there trying to change the tune, but the media ignores them. Their opposition all claim they are "bought" so not the true voice. The reality is many of the opposition groups are actually bought and I would be be surprised that the real source of their funds are US oil industry who want to keep the status qua of cheap Canadian oil to the US.

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[Kirkhill]

COMMENTARY: Fact, Fiction, and The Pipeline That’s Paying Canada’s Rent - Stewart Muir - Canadian Energy News, Top Headlines, Commentaries, Features & Events - EnergyNow

By Stewart Muir By Resource Works More News and Views From Resource Works Here Is the Trans Mountain a fake, like some say the moon landing was faked? It’s hard to interpret otherwise a persistent claim being made in media by British Columbia’s premier, David Eby. This week he said…

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A review on the war of words. It seems that Eby may be letting his mouth run a bit.

 

[FSTO]

COMMENTARY: Fact, Fiction, and The Pipeline That’s Paying Canada’s Rent - Stewart Muir - Canadian Energy News, Top Headlines, Commentaries, Features & Events - EnergyNow

By Stewart Muir By Resource Works More News and Views From Resource Works Here Is the Trans Mountain a fake, like some say the moon landing was faked? It’s hard to interpret otherwise a persistent claim being made in media by British Columbia’s premier, David Eby. This week he said…

energynow.ca

A review on the war of words. It seems that Eby may be letting his mouth run a bit.

No shyte. What did the line cost? 30B?
Maybe we should build the NW one?

 

[daftandbarmy]

COMMENTARY: Fact, Fiction, and The Pipeline That’s Paying Canada’s Rent - Stewart Muir - Canadian Energy News, Top Headlines, Commentaries, Features & Events - EnergyNow

By Stewart Muir By Resource Works More News and Views From Resource Works Here Is the Trans Mountain a fake, like some say the moon landing was faked? It’s hard to interpret otherwise a persistent claim being made in media by British Columbia’s premier, David Eby. This week he said…

energynow.ca

A review on the war of words. It seems that Eby may be letting his mouth run a bit.

'The guilty think all talk is of themselves.'

- Chaucer

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sounds like a great project

 

[HavokFour]

Sounds like a great project

The fibre connection alone would be game changing. A stable and fast internet connection would open up a range of previously out of reach remote jobs and business opportunities for locals and overall make Nunavut more appealing for Canadians that might be in the market for a change in scenery.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It also means an eventual ground link as the powerline access roads get built up and linked.

 

[foresterab]

Personal appreciation time.

I would not object to the Federal government acting within the law and using armed force to push through a pipeline on lands covered by Canadian law ... in Alberta, Quebec or BC. This presupposes that the pipeline has been lawfully approved.

I would object to the same force being applied to the same pipeline being forced through Alaska or any other foreign, ie non-Canadian, lands.

The same objection applies to any lands not contracted to the Canadian government by its owner. And that is how I perceive much of Northern BC.

Consequently I am less interested in persuading David Eby than I am in finding persuadable local owners to work with.

The world is full of opportunities if you look for them. Even if constrained by existing contracts.

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The word dominion is worth considering. It has come to mean, imply and infer lots of things.

It could have meant ownership but there were and are other words that could have been chosen.

My personal preference is to situate it in the historical context.

George III, in my view, did not claim North America. What he did was tell all Brits and all other colonial nations that he was claiming a monopoly on the continent. That only he would be permitted to negotiate with the original inhabitants, the owners of the land.

In modern context, for me, that means that the Government of Canada, in right of the Crown, reserves the right to negotiate treaties with the locals. That excludes modern Brits, as well as Yanks, Chinese and Russians. And the Government of Canada should be willing to preserve that monopoly by armed force.

It also means that the people of BC, just like the people of the 13 colonies are constrained in the lands they can claim and develop in the absence of a treaty/contract.

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Perhaps Danielle can offer Northern BC better terms than David.

Your post made me try to find a map of the areas covered under Treaty. While I'm familiar with Treaty 8, 7 and 6 and was aware of the Nisinga Treaty trying to find a map of all of them together is a challange.

This is the best one I found so far:

Map - Yellowhead Institute Treaty Map

The Treaty Map The Yellowhead Treaty Map is an accessible introduction to Indigenous perspectives on treaties in Canada. It describes the context, negotiation process and terms of treaties – as well as the implications of failing to honor them. Check out the About page to learn more about each...

treatymap.yellowheadinstitute.org

There is also sigificant work going on in BC with many other communities:

BC Region | Understanding Our Treaties

Explore the BC region on your journey to learn about treaties in Canada. An initiative of The Gordon Foundation.

understandingtreaties.ca

End of the day when I look from Treaty 8 in NE BC towards the Nisinga Treaty lands in NW BC....it's a relatively small gap of divided opinions and a much small group of bands than the rest of the province. And that's where the duty to consult and if required, compensate for impacts, rests.