Pipelines, energy and natural resources

[Kirkhill]

As BC strives to make Alberta Green.

China Produces More Coal Than the Rest of the World Combined

China produces more coal than the rest of the world combined. See which countries dominate global coal production in 2024.

www.visualcapitalist.com

 

[Fishbone Jones]

More 'talk' than 'walk'... a sad but familiar tale....

https://twitter.com/x/status/2051339860653547563

Why do people put so much stock in MOU's? They are just an understanding that eventually you'll get back together and continue to talk about the subject. Sure, that's an oversimplification, but not far off.

Key Highlights of an MOU.​

• A memorandum of understanding (MOU) is defined as an agreement between parties and can be bilateral (two) or multilateral (more than two parties).
• In order to prepare a complete and effective document (MOU), the parties affected must first reach an understanding acceptable by each party and clear information on the important stances for each of those parties.
• The MOU, although a formal document, is not legally binding. It merely shows the willingness of each concerned party to take action to move the contract forward.

 

[ytz]

As BC strives to make Alberta Green.

China Produces More Coal Than the Rest of the World Combined

China produces more coal than the rest of the world combined. See which countries dominate global coal production in 2024.

www.visualcapitalist.com

Are you under the impression that China is going to import oil and gas to replace domestic coal? Have people learned nothing about energy security from the last few months?

 

[Kirkhill]

Are you under the impression that China is going to import oil and gas to replace domestic coal? Have people learned nothing about energy security from the last few months?

No.
I am a firm believer that energy is energy regardless of the source.

 

[YZT580]

Why do people put so much stock in MOU's? They are just an understanding that eventually you'll get back together and continue to talk about the subject. Sure, that's an oversimplification, but not far off.

Key Highlights of an MOU.​

• A memorandum of understanding (MOU) is defined as an agreement between parties and can be bilateral (two) or multilateral (more than two parties).
• In order to prepare a complete and effective document (MOU), the parties affected must first reach an understanding acceptable by each party and clear information on the important stances for each of those parties.
• The MOU, although a formal document, is not legally binding. It merely shows the willingness of each concerned party to take action to move the contract forward.

and 100% predictable.

 

[ytz]

No.
I am a firm believer that energy is energy regardless of the source.

Then you should understand why dreams of displacing coal use in China with gas are just that: dreams.

 

[Kirkhill]

Then you should understand why dreams of displacing coal use in China with gas are just that: dreams.

Absolutely.

Just as I struggle with finding benefits in wind and solar over coal. I can accept a lot of costly remedies that make the burning of coal more efficient and cleaner with the before I reach the cost and inefficiency of wind and solar.

And I can move coal more easily than electricity.

 

[ytz]

Just as I struggle with finding benefits in wind and solar over coal. I can accept a lot of costly remedies that make the burning of coal more efficient and cleaner with the before I reach the cost and inefficiency of wind and solar.

The fact that you think wind and solar are more expensive than coal, is the root of your misunderstanding. Especially in China. The only reason coal use is up now is because oil and gas imports are down.

The clickbait article also ignores that China produces more PV panels and builds more nuclear plants that the rest of the world combined too. Their basic philosophy to energy production is "all of the above".

And I can move coal more easily than electricity.

Never mistake uniquely Canadian incompetence as universal.

They have no issues building HVDC lines in China.

 

[Kirkhill]

The fact that you think wind and solar are more expensive than coal, is the root of your misunderstanding. Especially in China. The only reason coal use is up now is because oil and gas imports are down.

The clickbait article also ignores that China produces more PV panels and builds more nuclear plants that the rest of the world combined too. Their basic philosophy to energy production is "all of the above".



Never mistake uniquely Canadian incompetence as universal.

They have no issues building HVDC lines in China.

And where do you put the lines and with what are the lines made and how do you maintain the lines and how long do the lines last and how often do you have to replace the lines and what do you do with the old lines (and poles and pylons and transformers).

TANSTAAFL,

 

[Brad Sallows]

China favours natural gas over coal because of pollution, which is a factor which cannot be ignored.

"Energy security" depends in part on where the raw material is coming from. Some sources aren't situated in perennial conflict zones adjacent to troublemakers.

Countries may insist on trying to become energy autarkies because they've been spooked by one war, but it'll place them at a strong disadvantage. A major reason they aren't already autarkies is because of costs, so costs - including externalities like pollution - will increase.

 

[HavokFour]

China favours natural gas over coal because of pollution, which is a factor which cannot be ignored.

"Energy security" depends in part on where the raw material is coming from. Some sources aren't situated in perennial conflict zones adjacent to troublemakers.

Countries may insist on trying to become energy autarkies because they've been spooked by one war, but it'll place them at a strong disadvantage. A major reason they aren't already autarkies is because of costs, so costs - including externalities like pollution - will increase.

This is very true. The reason China doesn't have more dominance over aluminum production at this moment for example is because of the amount of pollution put out by the coal plants. They've been in the process of switching the entire industry over to cleaner sources of electricity for the last decade, they're intentionally handicapping their own production.

We were incredibly lucky that our geography allowed us to skip ahead of that step.

 

[Kirkhill]

This is very true. The reason China doesn't have more dominance over aluminum production at this moment for example is because of the amount of pollution put out by the coal plants. They've been in the process of switching the entire industry over to cleaner sources of electricity for the last decade, they're intentionally handicapping their own production.

We were incredibly lucky that our geography allowed us to skip ahead of that step.

And you can thank Peterborough, Ontario for that. Canada's first city to power its streetlights with its own hydro plant leading to the Columbia being dammed to produce aluminum for Boeing in Seattle.