Pipelines, energy and natural resources

[MilEME09]

I will certainly accept your knowledge on that but before anyone buys in they have to know that the barrier will be circumvented.

Kinda like how the government straight up said in the MOU and pipeline plan they would use the exemption system?

 

[Brad Sallows]

However, Eby said in a statement issued Friday that it can’t be the case that projects get prioritized in Canada because a premier threatens to leave the country, referring to the separation movement in Alberta.

A province threatening to leave the country, prompting the country to make offerings? Certainly this has never happened in Canada before.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

This will be a tricky question to address, not a lot of room or options to replace it

https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/agriculture-shippers-call-for-replacement-of-north-shore-cn-rail-bridge-12291086

 

[YZT580]

Kinda like how the government straight up said in the MOU and pipeline plan they would use the exemption system?

so now they have to actually state to what extent they are going to do just that. I will buy that but not a sometime in the future promise to do something. I have bought too many used cars on those types of promises to believe them

 

[Czech_pivo]

This will be a tricky question to address, not a lot of room or options to replace it

https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/agriculture-shippers-call-for-replacement-of-north-shore-cn-rail-bridge-12291086

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You tunnel it.
Rail tunnel between Windsor - Detroit is over 100yrs old

Michigan Central Railway Tunnel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rail tunnel between Sarnia - Port Huron - the first one last over 100yrs. They replaced it with a new one about 25+yrs ago.

St. Clair Tunnel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[brihard]

You tunnel it.
Rail tunnel between Windsor - Detroit is over 100yrs old

Michigan Central Railway Tunnel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rail tunnel between Sarnia - Port Huron - the first one last over 100yrs. They replaced it with a new one about 25+yrs ago.

St. Clair Tunnel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not sure Vancouver is seismically sound for a rail tunnel? I’m not sarcastically suggesting it isn’t; I genuinely have no idea. I just understand the potential for earthquakes to be a bigger deal out there than here… I
could be completely wrong in that mattering.

 

[YZT580]

You tunnel it.
Rail tunnel between Windsor - Detroit is over 100yrs old

Michigan Central Railway Tunnel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rail tunnel between Sarnia - Port Huron - the first one last over 100yrs. They replaced it with a new one about 25+yrs ago.

St. Clair Tunnel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

if you are looking for historical tunnels how about Brockville?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Not sure Vancouver is seismically sound for a rail tunnel? I’m not sarcastically suggesting it isn’t; I genuinely have no idea. I just understand the potential for earthquakes to be a bigger deal out there than here… I
could be completely wrong in that mattering.

The bluffs on the south end into which the existing tunnel runs are solid rock. The causeway on the north end might not be as solid.

Twinning might be an easy option for the crossing, with the south end quickly joining the existing tunnel.

If a substantial earthquake strikes, there are going to be much bigger problems than that particular chunk of rail, even just among all the rail in the area.

 

[lenaitch]

if you are looking for historical tunnels how about Brockville?

And it's really cool what they've done with it.

The bluffs on the south end into which the existing tunnel runs are solid rock. The causeway on the north end might not be as solid.

Twinning might be an easy option for the crossing, with the south end quickly joining the existing tunnel.

If a substantial earthquake strikes, there are going to be much bigger problems than that particular chunk of rail, even just among all the rail in the area.

No engineer but in order to tunnel the narrows they would have to tunnel under the existing Thornton Tunnel then do a lot of re-arranging on the north shore to enable a suitable grade. It gets very busy with industrial trackage very quickly after the bridge hits land. I would think a new bridge or twinning would be much less disruptive.

This strikes me as CN (and probably CPKC as well) not keeping up on its state-of-good-repair. They had another mainline bridge failure on northwestern Ontario last year or the year before.

 

[Kirkhill]

A province threatening to leave the country, prompting the country to make offerings? Certainly this has never happened in Canada before.

How about a province threatening not to join unless it gets the railway project it wants?

 

[Kirkhill]

There is also this story line from a couple of days ago:

Trans Mountain and its federal parent see case for Ottawa owning pipeline for good | Globalnews.ca

Trans Mountain Corp. and the federal agency that oversees the Crown corporation say it's possible Ottawa will own the Trans Mountain Pipeline indefinitely.

globalnews.ca

Makes me wonder if these become assets transferred to a national wealth fund. Utilities, like pipelines, tend to be favored by institutional investors due to set income (via tolls) and steady profits.

There is no difference to the Federal Government owning bridges, ferries, highways and ports and charging tolls.

 

[foresterab]

There is no difference to the Federal Government owning bridges, ferries, highways and ports and charging tolls.

100% agree. My only pondering thought was investment into these type of national level projects might also be good holdings if transferred/purchased over time? into the new national investment trust proposed.

I guess in my mind I'd much rather see government investment into companies be accompanied by assets held by the government - i.e. physical assets or stocks shares - as opposed to a general holding that is sold off depending on politics/budget of the day.

 

[Kirkhill]

100% agree. My only pondering thought was investment into these type of national level projects might also be good holdings if transferred/purchased over time? into the new national investment trust proposed.

I guess in my mind I'd much rather see government investment into companies be accompanied by assets held by the government - i.e. physical assets or stocks shares - as opposed to a general holding that is sold off depending on politics/budget of the day.

I would prefer that the lines were privately financed. I don't have a major issue with government ownership either. I happen to think it was a good and necessary investment that should have been built, and replicated, long ago.

I may have mentioned I have British background. Nationalisation and Privatisation is a merry go round that never stops over there. Somebody, one day, is going to privatise flower shops in the public interest.

My problem was with the idiots that wanted to stop these projects and all other forms of development, and those perturbed that they weren't get their chunk and claiming environmental sanctity.