Pipelines, energy and natural resources

[daftandbarmy]

Carney and the environment minister can and the stroke of a pen issue exemptions to the tanker ban. No vote in parliment needed, no law changes needed, they can just do it. They can then get around the province by doing a federal environmental review to by pass the province via the one review law. So then so long as they do proper consultations with FN. BC can smoke it

The Eby government, and Eby himself, are at great peril of being erased from the political map pretty quick. Just watch what starts to happen after the Conservatives elect a party leader next week..

My untutored guess is that Carney is waiting for the BC NDP government to get kicked out, hopefully within the next year, then work with the BC Conservatives to get it done. In the meantime, like he says, he'll focus elsewhere.

Much easier to let the locals do your dirty work for you before swooping in to save the day.

 

[lenaitch]

That is the way it is supposed to be. Some view it as a complete veto.

And there is no guarantee that "some" are not wrong.

We have legislated the principle of 'free, prior and informed consent' from the UN declaration on the rights of indigenous persons into Canadian law, but it really hasn't been tested. On its face, it sure looks like a veto to me. and no doubt would be argued as such. The government can dance around it, work within it or repeal it; all have costs. I suspect most FN groups have it framed on the wall.

 

[FSTO]

It appears that nobody in Vancouver has an issue with a fully laden tanker sailing from Burrard inlet past 3 bridges (hello Baltimore?), through an extremely busy harbour, then at least 3 90 degree turns, past several marine parks (Race Rocks for one) and without a tug escort once they are past Lions Gate Bridge.

Meanwhile, Prince Rupert is basically a strait shot to open ocean once they clear wherever they decide to put the terminal. Also you could have a 4 tug escort and a pilot with a breathalyzer to ensure the master is sober! (Exxon Valdez Joseph Hazelwood - Wikipedia)

 

[Czech_pivo]

It appears that nobody in Vancouver has an issue with a fully laden tanker sailing from Burrard inlet past 3 bridges (hello Baltimore?), through an extremely busy harbour, then at least 3 90 degree turns, past several marine parks (Race Rocks for one) and without a tug escort once they are past Lions Gate Bridge.

Meanwhile, Prince Rupert is basically a strait shot to open ocean once they clear wherever they decide to put the terminal. Also you could have a 4 tug escort and a pilot with a breathalyzer to ensure the master is sober! (Exxon Valdez Joseph Hazelwood - Wikipedia)

I remember sitting at my desk back in 98/99/00 watching the LNG tankers enter Boston Harbour and every time I crossed my fingers that some small lobster boat didn't get in its way.

 

[YZT580]

And there is no guarantee that "some" are not wrong.

We have legislated the principle of 'free, prior and informed consent' from the UN declaration on the rights of indigenous persons into Canadian law, but it really hasn't been tested. On its face, it sure looks like a veto to me. and no doubt would be argued as such. The government can dance around it, work within it or repeal it; all have costs. I suspect most FN groups have it framed on the wall.

Our government of the last 10 years has put us between a rock and a hard place. They have loaded the courts with left leaning judges who as far as I can see have no compunction about interpreting a law in ways that were never intended. And many of them appear to have environmental activist in their record of employmentl They constantly support First Nation claims and castigate us because we arrived in Canada after the nations did. The courts have also regularly reinforced Environmental action claims. They also appear to have two standards in criminal trials: indigenous and white. Having loaded the courts in the first place what else did the government expect from any decision except a roadblock to development. It is what they wanted. Perhaps they have changed their mind, maybe not, but they won't tell and they don't have to. They can say all the right things knowing that the courts have their backs.

 

[daftandbarmy]

It appears that nobody in Vancouver has an issue with a fully laden tanker sailing from Burrard inlet past 3 bridges (hello Baltimore?), through an extremely busy harbour, then at least 3 90 degree turns, past several marine parks (Race Rocks for one) and without a tug escort once they are past Lions Gate Bridge.

Meanwhile, Prince Rupert is basically a strait shot to open ocean once they clear wherever they decide to put the terminal. Also you could have a 4 tug escort and a pilot with a breathalyzer to ensure the master is sober! (Exxon Valdez Joseph Hazelwood - Wikipedia)

And, unlike Prince Rupert, around Vancouver Harbour there are about a million people.. give or take...