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From economist Trevor Tombe

Even with all the cost over runs ....

Considering the original pipeline is 60 years old, supplies pretty much all of the feedstock for all of the fuel in SW BC and portion of the feedstock for the US PNW, I would say it's pretty darn important without even having to read the article. Being able to more safely do the above and also export some of it, is icing on the cake.
 
Considering the original pipeline is 60 years old, supplies pretty much all of the feedstock for all of the fuel in SW BC and portion of the feedstock for the US PNW, I would say it's pretty darn important without even having to read the article. Being able to more safely do the above and also export some of it, is icing on the cake.

Pretty hard to fly to Hong Kong from Vancouver without that pipeline given that it feeds the aviation fuel pipeline from the Burnaby refinery to the airport.
 

'The fact that oil demand keeps rising, hitting new records, year on year, is a clear example of what I'm saying,' Haitham Al Ghais said at the annual conference
OPEC secretary general Haitham Al Ghais says oil demand will continue to grow for years, despite critics who believe it will peak soon
more than US$600 billion in new global industry investment will be required each year until 2050.
oil demand will surpass 120 million barrels per day (bpd) by 2050.

Current global oil demand is around 104 million bpd
Alberta produces about 4 million bpd and aspires to 8 million bpd in the next few years - if it can find an outlet that will reassure investors.
Alberta wants some of that 600 BUSD of investment money that is being floated annually.

Massive amounts of investment will be required to meet the energy appetite of consumers — a whopping $17 trillion of total investment across the global oil industry over the next 25 years.

“Simply put, ladies and gentlemen, there is no peak in oil demand on the horizon. The fact that oil demand keeps rising, hitting new records, year on year, is a clear example of what I’m saying,” Al Ghais said Tuesday at the annual conference.

“Meeting this ever-rising demand will only be possible with adequate and timely and necessary investments in the oil industry.”

That $17 trillion USD represents a lot of fighters and submarines, jobs, schools and hospitals.

....

But

Our federal government talks about

consensus,
decarbonized barrels,
potential new parks on tidewater instead of ports
banning gas and diesel cars by 2035.

Some of the recent statements have been improvements on the past but I am yet to be fully convinced. Still in "Wait Out" mode.
 
Pretty hard to fly to Hong Kong from Vancouver without that pipeline given that it feeds the aviation fuel pipeline from the Burnaby refinery to the airport.
Much of the refined product comes from Cherry Point, WA, but it too feeds off the same pipeline from AB.

I suspect a lot of politicians are just hoping the problem of meeting demand for various refined products somehow goes away (the future!) before any more new construction is need.
 
Movement?

Bell: 'Productive discussions' — Smith and Carney talking big energy projects for Alberta​

'I can tell you there are ways we can find accommodation,' says Premier Danielle Smith, on negotiating with Prime Minister Mark Carney

Author of the article:
By Rick Bell
Published Jun 14, 2025
Last updated 3 hours ago
3 minute read


Well what do have here from the office of Alberta Premier Danielle Smith?

Prime Minister Mark Carney and Smith have now both named teams of negotiators “for the purpose of collaborating on the advancement of major energy projects of national interest that involve Alberta.”

The teams involve cabinet ministers and senior officials appointed to this “federal-provincial Table.”

In the case of Alberta, Smith has already said the team is two cabinet ministers — Jason Nixon and Rajan Sawhney — and two deputy ministers and Rob Anderson, the premier’s right-hand man.

The statement continues with a key line.

“Discussions have been productive thus far.”

“Wanting to maximize the chances of positive outcomes” the two sides won’t be commenting on specifics until they decide to issue a further update.

Now a lot of what Smith said at the Global Energy Show in Calgary in answer to questions from the scribbler makes sense.

In Calgary, Smith said there are “ways we can find accommodation” with Carney.

Along with the premier wanting a bitumen pipeline to the port of Prince Rupert in B.C., Alberta will also want changes to anti-oil policies cooked up when Justin Trudeau was the Liberal prime minister.

“He has to say he’s not having the emissions cap and that means not bringing it in. Not acting would be a positive,” says the premier.

No Liberal cap on oil and gas emissions is one of the nine demands Smith has made to Carney.

Smith said in the past you can’t really build more pipelines and increase oil production in a big way and have the cap.

Then there’s the tanker ban off the west coast. How about only lifting the tanker ban around Prince Rupert?

“On the issue of the tanker ban, maybe we come to an agreement that if all roads lead to the port of Prince Rupert just carve out Prince Rupert so you can protect the rest of the coast. I can live with that,” said Smith.

Smith also said she has already announced the Alberta government opposes an increase in the industrial carbon tax.

“If he can accept that then I think we have some common ground.”

Smith’s nine demands also include deep-sixing or overhauling Ottawa’s No More Pipelines law.

“I’m prepared to go through these demands one at a time to see what the common ground might be.


“We’ll go through these one at a time and hopefully we will be able to make some progress.”

Smith wants to see that progress by the fall of this year.

Meanwhile, disappointment and discontent haven’t gone away in Alberta.

In fact, at the Global Energy Show in Calgary, the obvious rumblings of separatism made their way into this gathering of high-powered energy players.

People talked about it.

Smith knows there are Albertans plenty pissed off at the election of yet another Liberal government after a destructive decade with a Liberal government.

So the question. What is the risk if, after all the talk, Carney doesn’t play ball?

What will be the level of frustration, the political temperature, if that happens?

The premier has a warning.

“I hope the prime minister doesn’t want to test it,” says Smith.

“Because I take it seriously.”

Premier Danielle Smith speaks at the Global Energy Show at the BMO Centre in Calgary on Wednesday, June 11, 2025. Brent Calver/Postmedia

Smith points out if Carney does the right thing and deals with Alberta’s legitimate beefs the temperature will go down.

She adds her nine demands are not the only “tensions we have with the federal government.”

No matter the discussion, there is always the pipeline to Prince Rupert and whether it will make the cut when it comes to Carney’s list of fast-tracked projects in the national interest.

“I think for our sake and for the country’s sake I can’t imagine there will be another project on the national list that will generate as much revenue, as many jobs as a bitumen pipeline to the coast,” says Smith.

“That will be my pitch. I hope he is willing to work with us on it. He seems to be giving us the indication he is.”

Carney giving an indication he is willing to work with Alberta.

Now we know what she means.

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The Haisla nation of Kitimat has joined the fossil fuel opportunity (LNG) after years of importing bauxite by sea and exporting aluminum.
Prince Rupert has been shipping fossil fuels for years (Coal, Liquid Propane, Oil - less than 12,500 tonnes per vessel)
The Nisgaa has just secured their right to build an LNG port at Ksi Lisims, land also claimed by various Tsimshian nations.
Lax Kw'alaams has been working to secure a port since at least the Northern Gateway / Eagle Spirit days.
Lax Kw'alaams wanted the tanker moratorium lifted or at least cleared in the channel between the two green lines.
The Haida are keen to protect their islands and are ardent defenders of the tanker moratorium

The space between the two green lines is disputed by the Americans and Canadians.
The Haida, Tsimshian (Lax Kw'alaams and Kitsumkalum), Nisga'a and Haisla presumably dispute Canada's right to negotiate with the Americans on their behalf given they claim their land is unceded.
The Haida, Tsimshian, Nisga'a and Haisla cordially dislike each other after centuries of raiding and slaving.

The Tsimshian used to be the local commercial kings while the Haida were the local vikings.

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At least near as I can figure.
 

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I forgot to add in the Province of BC, the NDP, Conservatives, Modern Councils, Hereditary Chiefs, Environmentalists and Foreign Interference and we have a heyday for lawyers.

A Gordian Knot that needs cutting.
 
Meanwhile, and I believe I have this right, Carney's company Brookfield, has jus puschased the largest pipeline in the US.

And yes, I said Carney’s company. It will always be his company until he comes forward, quits being dishonest, and properly and honestly discloses his finances.
 
Meanwhile, and I believe I have this right, Carney's company Brookfield, has jus puschased the largest pipeline in the US.

And yes, I said Carney’s company. It will always be his company until he comes forward, quits being dishonest, and properly and honestly discloses his finances.

'Cordially' dislike each other?

What say you @Colin Parkinson
 

According to the Liberal government’s own estimate, as of April 2023 it had spent or committed over $200 billion of taxpayers’ money to 149 government programs addressing climate change.

In terms of the primary goal of this spending, reducing Canada’s industrial greenhouse gas emissions to at least 40% below 2005 levels by 2030, the latest available government data from 2023 shows emissions were just 8.5% below 2005 levels.

Achieving the Liberals’ 2030 target will require the equivalent of eliminating all annual emissions from Canada’s transportation and building sectors in seven years, which would inevitably cause a massive recession.

200 BCAD since 2015 to achieve 8.5/40 as of 2030. Roughly the half way point.

DeMarco noted that aside from falling far short of its emission targets, Canada has the worst record of reducing emissions of any member of the G7, including the U.S.

The U.S. has cut emissions at almost double Canada’s rate, without imposing a national carbon tax.

Statistics Canada reported earlier this month that Canada’s unemployment rate rose to 7% in May, the highest it’s been since September 2016, excluding the 2020 and 2021 pandemic years, and a 12.9% increase from 6.2% a year ago in May.

When DeMarco reported in 2023 on the Liberals’ so-called “just transition” plan to assist energy sector workers to retrain for Canada’s new green economy, he concluded it didn’t exist, despite the government having promised it in 2019.

“We found that as Canada shifts focus to low-carbon alternatives, the government is not prepared to provide appropriate support to … workers in the fossil fuel sector,” DeMarco said.

"Not prepared to provide appropriate support to ... workers in the fossil fuel sector."

And thus discontent....

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In terms of economic growth, Statistics Canada reported earlier this year that Canada’s real GDP per capita, which measures economic output per person, adjusted for inflation, and is a widely accepted metric for measuring the standard of living, fell by 1.4% in 2024, following a decline of 1.3% in 2023.

Over its near-decade in power, Canada’s economic growth under the Liberals has been the lowest since the government of R.B. Bennett during the Great Depression.
 
For reference I would describe the Scots, English, Irish, Welsh relations (and Scouse, Brummie, Geordie, Cockney) in similar terms.

Nobody's tried to build a gas pipeline through those countries though...

The FN up there dont get along, and this won't help much:

A long, hot summer’: BC’s approval of PRGT pipeline sets stage for conflict, First Nations leader says


The British Columbia government gave a green light to an 800-kilometre natural gas pipeline on Thursday, paving the way for construction to start this summer — and setting the stage for what one First Nations leader warns could be a “long, hot summer” of conflict.
The Prince Rupert Gas Transmission (PRGT) pipeline will carry gas from northeast B.C. to the proposed Ksi Lisims gas liquefaction and export facility on the northwest coast near the Alaska border, crossing more than 1,000 waterways, including major salmon-bearing rivers and tributaries.
In a press release, the BC Environmental Assessment Office gave the project a “substantially started” designation, locking in its original environmental approval indefinitely. That original approval — for the pipeline to end in Prince Rupert, B.C — was granted in 2014 and expired last November. The assessment office said enough construction occurred before the expiry date to earn it the designation, even though the pipeline’s new route takes it to a different location.
The decision to deem the pipeline substantially started was authored by Alex MacLennan, the chief executive assessment officer and deputy energy minister.

 
Nobody's tried to build a gas pipeline through those countries though...

The FN up there dont get along, and this won't help much:

A long, hot summer’: BC’s approval of PRGT pipeline sets stage for conflict, First Nations leader says


The British Columbia government gave a green light to an 800-kilometre natural gas pipeline on Thursday, paving the way for construction to start this summer — and setting the stage for what one First Nations leader warns could be a “long, hot summer” of conflict.
The Prince Rupert Gas Transmission (PRGT) pipeline will carry gas from northeast B.C. to the proposed Ksi Lisims gas liquefaction and export facility on the northwest coast near the Alaska border, crossing more than 1,000 waterways, including major salmon-bearing rivers and tributaries.
In a press release, the BC Environmental Assessment Office gave the project a “substantially started” designation, locking in its original environmental approval indefinitely. That original approval — for the pipeline to end in Prince Rupert, B.C — was granted in 2014 and expired last November. The assessment office said enough construction occurred before the expiry date to earn it the designation, even though the pipeline’s new route takes it to a different location.
The decision to deem the pipeline substantially started was authored by Alex MacLennan, the chief executive assessment officer and deputy energy minister.


Actually, the English have tried to take the Oil and Gas money from the Scots and now they want to shut it down....

WRT to the Ksi Lisims situation, from what I can gather from the maps, Pearse Island is outside the settled land claim of the Nisga'a but within the territory claimed by at least two separate Tsimshian groups, one of whom was spear heading the Eagle Spirit line. That line was shut down by the tanker moratorium which was appealed to the Senate by the Eagle Spirit Tsimshian and their interior native allies.
 
Meanwhile, and I believe I have this right, Carney's company Brookfield, has jus puschased the largest pipeline in the US.

And yes, I said Carney’s company. It will always be his company until he comes forward, quits being dishonest, and properly and honestly discloses his finances.
What do you mean by "his" company?

Are you implying that absent his voluntary election for an unprecedentedly detailed public disclosure (beyond what is called for by the ethics commissioner) that a reasonable person might think he has a controlling interest in BAM?
 
What do you mean by "his" company?

Are you implying that absent his voluntary election for an unprecedentedly detailed public disclosure (beyond what is called for by the ethics commissioner) that a reasonable person might think he has a controlling interest in BAM?
Isn't that the crux of the problem: we just don't know and there is the appearance of wrong-doing. The liberals have suffered from appearances for a decade now so a little reassurance that there has indeed been a fundamental change is overdo
 
Isn't that the crux of the problem: we just don't know and there is the appearance of wrong-doing. The liberals have suffered from appearances for a decade now so a little reassurance that there has indeed been a fundamental change is overdo
Who said there's an appearance of wrong doing? People with a partisan interest in their being one.

On FB's "his company" remark. BAM has a market cap of 90 billion dollars. Billion with a B. There's public record of Carney having 6.8 million worth of stock options. That's less than one hundredth of a percent ownership stake. Even if his undisclosed holdings contained ten time that amount in BAM stock he's still under a tenth of a percent.

Let's say he transparently liquidated his (fundamentally diversified) BAM holdings and put into a TSX tracking index like XIU or QCE. The same rage baiters would cry foul about a conflict of interest in favour of corporate canada / the big boys. If he put it in cash/gold, the same in favour of thosem

Successful peope generate wealth, smart successful people have diversified holdings. Our current PM is both, and he's not going to get poorer if our economy gets in gear. That's just reality.

We have ethics law put in place by a CPC government, he's by all accounts following them. His vetted disclosure should be available any day now- if its not up already.
 
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