Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[Good2Golf]

From the Original Post, "Then a fourth fire truck also came to the scene."

What's that? A couple dozen firefighters?

Perhaps sending one "Mobile Barrier" to block, instead of four fire trucks, would be more cost effective.

Fire trucks would be more expensive to take out of service and repair, when vehicles crash into them while parked blocking scenes, than a Mobile Barrier - which is designed to take hits.

It would only require a highway maintenance driver, as its only function is Blocking.

Or block with this?

Photo credit: Wiki - Hillelfrei

 

[lenaitch]

It would only require a highway maintenance driver, as its only function is Blocking.

They can argue about lane blocking. But, not patient care.

That is the context of the discussion. I'm not aware of any legislation that puts the authority for traffic control onto anybody except the police and highway maintenance crews.. The one exception is firefighters can direct traffic if they use one of those 'slow/stop' signs. MTO and their contract companies already have barrier trucks. I don't see the benefit or willingness of municipally-funded fire services buying, storing and maintaining a single use vehicle to perform a task that really isn't theirs to perform.

 

[Booter]

That is the context of the discussion. I'm not aware of any legislation that puts the authority for traffic control onto anybody except the police and highway maintenance crews.. The one exception is firefighters can direct traffic if they use one of those 'slow/stop' signs. MTO and their contract companies already have barrier trucks. I don't see the benefit or willingness of municipally-funded fire services buying, storing and maintaining a single use vehicle to perform a task that really isn't theirs to perform.

I would think the lane control would be an asset under highway management- who place barricades in consultation with the scene management.

I don’t know anything about that structure in Ontario. But out west there are agencies/companies for that- the police taking care of it until they are activated/ arrive,

Really in any healthy ecosystem it shouldn’t really come up- everyone should be rowing in the same direction. Because believe it or not- all the first responders have the same goal. Even if their are outlier personality issues

 

[dapaterson]

Unclear what the matter at hand is, but it's going to be complex to address when the accused officer is married to the chief.

Barrie police inspector makes brief appearance before tribunal

Insp. Valarie Gates charged with discreditable conduct under Police Services Act; conference call between involved parties scheduled for Feb. 29

www.barrietoday.com

 

[lenaitch]

I would think the lane control would be an asset under highway management- who place barricades in consultation with the scene management.

I don’t know anything about that structure in Ontario. But out west there are agencies/companies for that- the police taking care of it until they are activated/ arrive,

Really in any healthy ecosystem it shouldn’t really come up- everyone should be rowing in the same direction. Because believe it or not- all the first responders have the same goal. Even if their are outlier personality issues

And it does work out, more or less organically. Everybody generally gets along - nobody is arresting firefighters that I am aware of. No doubt local agreements and protocols exist, but the province is too large and varied for anything more centralized or formal. It goes all the way from the 401 through Toronto with large, professional, multi-service emergency service partners, to the 401 going through a rural township with a volunteer department and their couple of trucks to a northern Ontario highway going through unorganized territory (no municipal government) with no service at all. A lot of the time, especially up north, your best traffic control and scene protection is the transports caught it the backup. They're not going anywhere anyway.

 

[lenaitch]

Unclear what the matter at hand is, but it's going to be complex to address when the accused officer is married to the chief.

Barrie police inspector makes brief appearance before tribunal

Insp. Valarie Gates charged with discreditable conduct under Police Services Act; conference call between involved parties scheduled for Feb. 29

www.barrietoday.com

That's why they move matters to arms-length. The investigation of the complaint was done by the OPP, the adjudicator is an independent retired (OPP) police officer and I believe the prosecutor is in private practice in Ottawa.

 

[brihard]

While the farthest thing from high ranked, here’s one the profession will happily do without.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-rcmp-sexual-misconduct-firing-connor-mcdonald-1.7094009

 

[Booter]

While the farthest thing from high ranked, here’s one the profession will happily do without.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-rcmp-sexual-misconduct-firing-connor-mcdonald-1.7094009

Omg

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Imagine being this clowns rep when all you really want to do is punch him in the face??

 

[brihard]

Imagine being this clowns rep when all you really want to do is punch him in the face??

Right, but you know that if you do a good job ensuring procedural fairness, then when the shitbird gets drummed out you know it’ll stick and set a proper standard for the larger profession. Everyone deserves due process, but we deserve that process to work when it needs to.

 

[lenaitch]

Imagine being this clowns rep when all you really want to do is punch him in the face??

Respect the process if not the member.

 

[daftandbarmy]

While the farthest thing from high ranked, here’s one the profession will happily do without.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-rcmp-sexual-misconduct-firing-connor-mcdonald-1.7094009

#BCwinning!

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Respect the process if not the member.

I do,....did it for a long time. Just nothing quite this "craptucular".

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Maybe not "behaving badly" but probably some explaining to do......it was a "Colt C 8 rifle" from what I saw on another news post.

Rifle stolen from police vehicle in Angus: OPP investigating | CTV News

OPP is investigating the theft of a police-issued rifle from a police vehicle on Sunday.
According to the Nottawasaga OPP Detachment, officers have been stationed along the Brentwood Road area in Angus most of Sunday.
OPP is reminding the public to avoid the area as the search continues, and if an individual encounters suspicious activity or observes someone with a firearm, to not approach the individual.

Instead, police say to call 9-1-1 immediately to report any sighting.
Anyone with information is asked to contact OPP or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS).

 

[dapaterson]

If properly secured, it's a robbery that you shouldn't hang on the officer whose vehicle someone broke into.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

If properly secured, it's a robbery that you shouldn't hang on the officer whose vehicle someone broke into.

The officer has no say in the locking mechanism their department buys. There are Youtube videos out there showing just how bad some of the locks are and how easy they are to bypass.

 

[Booter]

The officer has no say in the locking mechanism their department buys. There are Youtube videos out there showing just how bad some of the locks are and how easy they are to bypass.

In an emergency I have broken one open without a key. With enough time someone will get into it.

 

[Haggis]

If properly secured, it's a robbery that you shouldn't hang on the officer whose vehicle someone broke into.

In very general terms, it's a robbery if there is a victim present. Otherwise, it's a burglary or theft. In either case, the officer would not be held responsible if all the SOPs for securing their cruiser were followed.

 

[daftandbarmy]

In very general terms, it's a robbery if there is a victim present. Otherwise, it's a burglary or theft. In either case, the officer would not be held responsible if all the SOPs for securing their cruiser were followed.

 

[lenaitch]

Assuming from the thin wording of the press release that the rifle was discovered missing, Robbery would seem to be inapplicable. It also would not be a Break and Enter ('burglary' not being an offence in Canada) since the Offence of B & E refers to a "place", and a vehicle isn't a 'place' as defined. It would be a 'theft', possibly 'damage to public property' and maybe a few other things depending on details that aren't reported.

I can't comment on the locking mechanism or quality in OPP vehicles since I long predate that but, from what I've been told by members and casual observations, if it was properly secured, it would not likely be a quick 'opportunity snatch and grab'.