Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[brihard]

If you think it's bad now, wait until Trudeau's decriminalization promises for the next election. Cannabis got him a majority. Decriminalization of personal use amounts of meth, cocaine and heroin will get him crowned king for life.

That’s quite a claim. What ridings do you think decriminalizing Schedule 1 CDSA for personal use would flip?

 

[OldSolduer]

That’s quite a claim. What ridings do you think decriminalizing Schedule 1 CDSA for personal use would flip?

Somehow I don't think hard core drug addicts vote....and I don't think the average Canadian would accept this.

 

[Haggis]

That’s quite a claim. What ridings do you think decriminalizing Schedule 1 CDSA for personal use would flip?

Okay, I'm recuperating from surgery, and maybe not firing on all cylinders and being a bit facetious here as a result, but "legalizing" cannabis was a significant contributor to his 2015 election win. An election promise, no matter how sensible or outlandish, need not be kept after you win. Decriminalization of some Schedule 1 substances has been brought up before by both Teams Red and Orange.

To answer your question, probably not many, as the most drug afflicted ridings are already red. My comment, though, was more aimed at the increased policing challenges associated with more legalization/decriminalization.

Somehow I don't think hard core drug addicts vote....and I don't think the average Canadian would accept this.

Casual users and dealers vote. I'll concede that cannabis is a different drug, but he sold it well and he garnered a lot of the 18 to 40 year old vote in 2015. Then, he then went on to legislate the crap out of it, so it's not truly "legalized".

 

[brihard]

Okay, I'm recuperating from surgery, and maybe not firing on all cylinders and being a bit facetious here as a result, but "legalizing" cannabis was a significant contributor to his 2015 election win. An election promise, no matter how sensible or outlandish, need not be kept after you win. Decriminalization of some Schedule 1 substances has been brought up before by both Teams Red and Orange.

To answer your question, probably not many, as the most drug afflicted ridings are already red. My comment, though, was more aimed at the increased policing challenges associated with more legalization/decriminalization.

Casual users and dealers vote. I'll concede that cannabis is a different drug, but he sold it well and he garnered a lot of the 18 to 40 year old vote in 2015. Then, he then went on to legislate the crap out of it, so it's not truly "legalized".

Yeah, but really cannabis is little different from alcohol- and frankly, IMHO, and never having touched the stuff, and as Instand here sipping a beer, much less dangerous and destructive to individuals and to society than alcohol (or, I think, tobacco). Legalizing cannabis was a sensible policy platform that reversed decades of failed prohibition that made little objective sense.

I think we can all see the huge difference between that and the Schedule I drugs.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Somehow I don't think hard core drug addicts vote.

Doctors, judges, school bus drivers come to mind.

 

[Jarnhamar]

If you think it's bad now, wait until Trudeau's decriminalization promises for the next election. Cannabis got him a majority. Decriminalization of personal use amounts of meth, cocaine and heroin will get him crowned king for life.

Aren't we already there?

Adam Zivo: B.C. plans to give 'safer supply' fentanyl to minors. And parents won't have a say​

No minimum age listed in protocols for providing youth with taxpayer-funded recreational fentanyl

Adam Zivo: B.C. plans to give 'safer supply' fentanyl to minors. And parents won't have a say

 

[brihard]

Doctors, judges, school bus drivers come to mind.

 

[Haggis]

I think we can all see the huge difference between that and the Schedule I drugs.

I haven't had a beer in weeks. Can't afford to get even the least bit wobbly and risk a fall (long overdue total knee replacement).

I'd rather deal with a stoner than a drunk. Use doritos instead of OC.

The legalization of cannabis was oversold IMO, and the impacts of the legislative framework weren't articulated in the 2015 campaign. If the Grits take the approach of "bringing drug abuse out of the shadows to reduce the criminal involvement", which was one of their selling points for cannabis, some voters will likely buy it.

We've gotten a bit off topic, in true Army.ca fashion.

 

[brihard]

I haven't had a beer in weeks. Can't afford to get even the least bit wobbly and risk a fall (long overdue total knee replacement).

I'd rather deal with a stoner than a drunk. Use doritos instead of OC.

The legalization of cannabis was oversold IMO, and the impacts of the legislative framework weren't articulated in the 2015 campaign. If the Grits take the approach of "bringing drug abuse out of the shadows to reduce the criminal involvement", which was one of their selling points for cannabis, some voters will likely buy it.

We've gotten a bit off topic, in true Army.ca fashion.

Something something dress regs

 

[CBH99]

If you think it's bad now, wait until Trudeau's decriminalization promises for the next election. Cannabis got him a majority. Decriminalization of personal use amounts of meth, cocaine and heroin will get him crowned king for life.

I wanna say "I don't know...I think even the druggies hate him as much as the rest of us do at this point"...

But you're probably right. I respectfully hope you're wrong lol but I don't think you are



Looking at how well the California experiment is going, and on a smaller scale the BC experiment - why anybody would want to emulate those conditions elsewhere is either stupid, or evil, or both.

 

[CBH99]

Aren't we already there?

Adam Zivo: B.C. plans to give 'safer supply' fentanyl to minors. And parents won't have a say​

No minimum age listed in protocols for providing youth with taxpayer-funded recreational fentanyl

Adam Zivo: B.C. plans to give 'safer supply' fentanyl to minors. And parents won't have a say

I was just about to post this very article, ya beat me to it

Soooooo...yes! This!


I won't beat on my usual dead horse & I'll even let it be for a while, I don't think there's anybody here who still doesn't see what's happening here, and happening quite deliberately

Anybody who wants to give your kids recreational fentynal & keep it a secret from mom and dad is NOT looking out for their best interests...

 

[dapaterson]

I was just about to post this very article, ya beat me to it

Soooooo...yes! This!


I won't beat on my usual dead horse & I'll even let it be for a while, I don't think there's anybody here who still doesn't see what's happening here, and happening quite deliberately

Anybody who wants to give your kids recreational fentynal & keep it a secret from mom and dad is NOT looking out for their best interests...

You're right. Far better to let kids buy drugs and die from overdoses.

 

[OldSolduer]

Fentanyl is deadly and therefore shouldn’t be used by anyone recreationally . Period.

 

[Remius]

I was just about to post this very article, ya beat me to it

Soooooo...yes! This!


I won't beat on my usual dead horse & I'll even let it be for a while, I don't think there's anybody here who still doesn't see what's happening here, and happening quite deliberately

Anybody who wants to give your kids recreational fentynal & keep it a secret from mom and dad is NOT looking out for their best interests...

Where are they stating that this is for recreational use?

 

[OldSolduer]

Where are they stating that this is for recreational use?

IF you’re giving away fentanyl it’s not to manage pain or tranquilize someone. It’s deadly and needs to be tightly controlled

 

[dapaterson]

Fentanyl is deadly and therefore shouldn’t be used by anyone recreationally . Period.

Harm reduction isn't a standalone. But if we aren't willing to invest in other resources for recovery, it's a bare minimum.

 

[Remius]

IF you’re giving away fentanyl it’s not to tranquilize someone. It’s deadly and needs to be tightly controlled

I don’t disagree, but the article isn’t saying that it’s for recreational use as far as I could see. Big difference between recreation and part of a safety program.

 

[OldSolduer]

Harm reduction isn't a standalone. But if we aren't willing to invest in other resources for recovery, it's a bare minimum.

You might understand that model more than I. However it remains that fentanyl is extremely dangerous in the wrong hands.

 

[CBH99]

Fentanyl is deadly and therefore shouldn’t be used by anyone recreationally . Period.

This is my point, @dapaterson


Supplying them with clean drugs isn't going to prevent them from overdosing, it will just prevent them from accidentally overdoing on something they didn't know their drugs were laced with...

But its not like fentynal is a safe drug to use "minus the odd batch getting cut with something..."

It's a dangerous drug, period.


I don't have the answer to the problem here, but I can't help thinking that adding more fentynal to an area plagued by drugs isn't going to be any kind of lasting solution...

Where are they stating that this is for recreational use?

In the subtitle of the article, it mentions taxpayer funded 'recreational' fentynal being distributed to minors (no minimum age being used in the protocol)

 

[daftandbarmy]

The plot thickens!

Ex-police officer says he's 'scapegoat' for failure of leadership​

Robb Ferris says he had no role in decisions that led to the collapse of the Project Juliet prosecution​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-juliet-police-misconduct-1.7120391?cmp=newsletter_CBC%20British%20Columbia_1633_1410708