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Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

'Unarmed' Myles Gray ... whew


Hearing begins for Vancouver police officers' conduct in the death of Myles Gray

Hearing to probe whether officers intentionally or recklessly used unnecessary force


A 10-week public hearing into the actions of seven Vancouver Police Department (VPD) officers related to the August 2015 death of 33-year-old Myles Gray begins Monday.

The hearing will question whether VPD Constables Kory Folkestad, Eric Birzneck, Derek Cain, Josh Wong, Beau Spencer, Hardeep Sahota and Nick Thompson abused their authority by intentionally or recklessly using unnecessary force.

Police Complaint Commissioner Prabhu Rajan announced the hearing at the end of 2024, noting Gray died after the VPD officers “used significant force to subdue and restrain him,” according to the notice of public hearing.

Gray’s injuries included ruptured testicles, a broken voice box, a fractured eye socket and widespread bruising.

The Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner (OPCC) says the hearing will be one of the largest of its kind in terms of the number of officers, lawyers, volume of evidence and length.

 
You don't think shooting your partner is screwing up? Daaaaamn 😉
Most likely yes. But a lot of different things may have happened there. Like I said, I'd like the facts.

Bad things can happen when contact/cover roles get mixed up, or when you're closing the distance on what you think is a controlled threat and they suddenly do something wacky...
 
I mean I'm confident I can shoot the knife out of someones hand. Doing it while my fire team partner is wrasselin em? That's next level confidence.
 
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Just like Rotherham you might not want to investigate too high up the ladder.

Has west midlands had the same types of problems as rotherham with grooming gangs?

Yes, the West Midlands has experienced significant, documented, and systemic problems with grooming gangs that share similar characteristics, patterns, and institutional failures to the scandal in Rotherham.
Investigations and reports have identified that in Birmingham and other areas within the West Midlands, Asian, largely Pakistani-heritage, grooming gangs targeted young white girls over prolonged periods, with police and social services often failing to intervene due to fear of appearing racist.
Key Comparisons to Rotherham:
  • Significant Similarities: A 2015 Child Sexual Exploitation Problem Profile published by West Midlands Police acknowledged "significant similarities" to the Rotherham scandal, noting that on-street grooming gangs were operating in areas with high density Pakistani heritage populations.
  • Institutional Failure: Just as in Rotherham, reports from the West Midlands indicated that police were aware of gangs targeting children outside schools years before taking action, with concerns about community tensions hindering investigations.
  • Victim Blaming and Neglect: Victims were often regarded by authorities as having "risky lifestyles" or leading "wayward" lives, leading to a failure to protect them.
  • Patterns of Abuse: Grooming often involved the use of drugs and alcohol, with children transported across the region to be abused by multiple men, often in "house parties," hotels, or taxi-related settings.
Specific Cases in the West Midlands:
  • Birmingham (2010s): Reports highlighted that police knew Asian grooming gangs were targeting children in Birmingham as early as 2010 but were slow to act.
  • Walsall and Wolverhampton (Operation Satchel): A major 2023 investigation, considered one of the largest in West Midlands Police history, resulted in 21 people being convicted of offences against children as young as 12, spanning nearly a decade.
  • Telford (Midlands Region): While technically Shropshire, the Telford grooming scandal is frequently grouped with the Midlands cases, where independent inquiries found that child sexual exploitation was dismissed by authorities, with victims not protected, similar to the findings in Rotherham.
While Rotherham is often cited as the most prominent example, the systemic failures, the demographic profile of offenders and victims, and the nature of the grooming gangs were found to be replicated in other towns and cities across England, including in the West Midlands.
 
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