Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[Eaglelord17]

Not many jobs that require you to challenge people with a firearm regularly and then have guys who don’t know what they’re talking about dissect it on the internet.

Anyone who talks like you doesn’t have the experience needed to have the opinions you do. But no doubt you think you do.

The interpretation of the law that lead to the “breaking of the law” in an emergency was examined after the fact and found to be incorrect- it then informed every operation that came after it. So much so that it’s a briefing point on these emergencies in Alberta now.

Most of us know what you can’t do in that case. Someone didn’t and in the presence of looting made a poor call, and then that calls intent was interpreted poorly. That issue has been addressed. Which is what is supposed to happen.

I’ve been the front face on multiple natural disasters of national interest and my teams actions were slick. It is not unusual for the RCMP to get it right. Our actions have critical eyes on us all the time, and that’s fine- it’s the name of the game. But our folks nail it consistently.

You may feel it was addressed, much of the public does not. Yes it isn’t likely to happen again, however that doesn’t mean those responsible have been held accountable.

It’s about when you don’t nail it that’s a issue. It’s about the lack of accountability for those who fail to nail it. Police don’t like to ‘rat’ on their own. They let a lot slide before they hold someone to task. Even then when held to task the punishment is often much less than a civilian would receive for a similar situation.

Yes police have a hard job, and that is exactly why I am so critical of them. I hold them to a exceptionally high standard because of trust and power placed in their hands. When that trust is broken there should be hell to pay.

 

[daftandbarmy]

You may feel it was addressed, much of the public does not. Yes it isn’t likely to happen again, however that doesn’t mean those responsible have been held accountable.

It’s about when you don’t nail it that’s a issue. It’s about the lack of accountability for those who fail to nail it. Police don’t like to ‘rat’ on their own. They let a lot slide before they hold someone to task. Even then when held to task the punishment is often much less than a civilian would receive for a similar situation.

The (now defunct) Esquimalt Police Department enters the chat... from awhile ago


Victoria police, former Esquimalt officers hit with sexual abuse lawsuit

The Victoria Police Department and four former Esquimalt police officers are being sued for $5.3 million over sexual abuse allegations dating back to the 1980s and 1990s.

Scott Connors, Robert Cowick, Samuel Devana and Kenneth Cockle are named as defendants in the notice of civil claim, filed with the B.C. Supreme Court on Nov. 12. VicPD is named because it merged with the Esquimalt Police Department in 2003.

Victoria police, former Esquimalt officers hit with sexual abuse lawsuit

The Victoria Police Department and four former Esquimalt police officers are being sued for $5.3 million over sexual abuse allegations dating back to the 1980s and 1990s.

vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca

 

[Booter]

The overwhelming majority of conduct resolved in the rcmp contains witness and other member observation and statements. So your “rat” statement is nonsense. You watch too much tv, what the reality is that when you’re in the grey making calls it isn’t as easy as when you have your 500 word article a month after the decision making ends and your saying what everyone should have done.

You re free to have your opinions- I’ve got lots of my own opinions that people have issues with, but I won’t pass by someone taking a swipe at the people I look after.

The process was addressed. The errors were addressed. Your “accountable” is a fancy way of saying you want someone to get probation for something that they made a mistake in- was it a mistake that affected a ton of people and significant implications for everyone? Financially and the relationship to the community? Absolutely.

But it wasn’t criminal. It was a person in a position who is guiding things in unprecedented conditions who wound up out of their lane- and by the time the operation was recovered it was too late,

That’s administrative. It isn’t criminal. And the administrative error was corrected.

I finished a massive thing and was told I was lucky it worked out by my political lines. That’s what it’s like to be working without a safety net. When it works you’re the hero of the hour. When it doesn’t you wind up with a cover sheet named after you.

 

[FJAG]

The Victoria Police Department and four former Esquimalt police officers are being sued for $5.3 million over sexual abuse allegations dating back to the 1980s and 1990s.

Sigh. Don't Statutes of Limitation have any value anymore?

 

[Haggis]

Sigh. Don't Statutes of Limitation have any value anymore?

2 years in most cases for civil suits in BC. Absolute limit of 15 years with some exceptions for cases involving minors, persons with disabilities and some frauds. This is way outside those limits. Could an exception be made since the plaintiff was 17 YOA when the first instance was to have occurred?

 

[FJAG]

2 years in most cases for civil suits in BC. Absolute limit of 15 years with some exceptions for cases involving minors, persons with disabilities and some frauds. This is way outside those limits. Could an exception be made since the plaintiff was 17 YOA when the first instance was to have occurred?

In small part. Limitation periods generally do not run during periods of legal disability which includes while being an "Infant." That ceases at the age of majority which is 18 in most jurisdictions.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

So a Guelph father takes his teenage daughter to the local coffee shop and a local do-gooder questions them because an older man with a young girl is suspicious right! And just to be on the "safe-side" calls the cops who then blast a picture of the father and daughter across local social media as a possible case involving human trafficking!

Canadian cops questioned dad about human trafficking after he took his daughter to a coffee shop

Plus: AI for mass surveillance, Alaskan lawsuit to decriminalize prostitution, "enhanced" British regulation of streaming services, and more…

reason.com

 

[Nvlgzr]

So a Guelph father takes his teenage daughter to the local coffee shop and a local do-gooder questions them because an older man with a young girl is suspicious right! And just to be on the "safe-side" calls the cops who then blast a picture of the father and daughter across local social media as a possible case involving human trafficking!

Canadian cops questioned dad about human trafficking after he took his daughter to a coffee shop

Plus: AI for mass surveillance, Alaskan lawsuit to decriminalize prostitution, "enhanced" British regulation of streaming services, and more…

reason.com

Geez. I’m glad Logan wasn’t around when I would take my daughter across the province to cheerleading competitions; usually stopping for a bite along the way.

 

[Haggis]

So a Guelph father takes his teenage daughter to the local coffee shop and a local do-gooder questions them because an older man with a young girl is suspicious right! And just to be on the "safe-side" calls the cops who then blast a picture of the father and daughter across local social media as a possible case involving human trafficking!

Canadian cops questioned dad about human trafficking after he took his daughter to a coffee shop

Plus: AI for mass surveillance, Alaskan lawsuit to decriminalize prostitution, "enhanced" British regulation of streaming services, and more…

reason.com

When I'm working Primary I make a point of talking with every kid in every car. I've referred a small number for a secondary examination because something seemed "off" (e.g. adult answering primary questions on behalf of the kid who is old enough to answer on their own, or a sole adult traveling with a kid and not having a note from the other parent). Thankfully all were non-resultant. We're trained to spot human trafficking and not just "do-gooders". The cops and the dad seemed to handle it well once contact was established between them.

 

[ModlrMike]

So a Guelph father takes his teenage daughter to the local coffee shop and a local do-gooder questions them because an older man with a young girl is suspicious right! And just to be on the "safe-side" calls the cops who then blast a picture of the father and daughter across local social media as a possible case involving human trafficking!

Canadian cops questioned dad about human trafficking after he took his daughter to a coffee shop

Plus: AI for mass surveillance, Alaskan lawsuit to decriminalize prostitution, "enhanced" British regulation of streaming services, and more…

reason.com

This could have gone sideways super fast.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Maybe there'd better outcomes for abducted children if more people would be nosey busybodies.
As a father of a daughter, I'd take the guy to dinner for caring enough to intervene with the cops.

 

[lenaitch]

Maybe there'd better outcomes for abducted children if more people would be nosey busybodies.
As a father of a daughter, I'd take the guy to dinner for caring enough to intervene with the cops.

So you'd be okay with being confronted by the cops every time you are in the public with your daughter and having to explain yourself?

The trouble with this type of public advocacy is it is unfiltered. it can range from a legitimate concern based on reasonable observations of the context, interactions, setting, etc. all the way to people who simply hate all males, social justice warriors and people who simply have to inject themselves into everybody else's lives.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

The Dad in question thanked everyone who cared enough to make sure it wasn't a young child in trouble...

 

[daftandbarmy]

So you'd be okay with being confronted by the cops every time you are in the public with your daughter and having to explain yourself?

The trouble with this type of public advocacy is it is unfiltered. it can range from a legitimate concern based on reasonable observations of the context, interactions, setting, etc. all the way to people who simply hate all males, social justice warriors and people who simply have to inject themselves into everybody else's lives.

So you've been to Victoria and Vancouver then?

 

[mariomike]

Story says "Logan" knocked on their car window and interrogated them.

Wasn't satisfied with their explanation, so "dropped a dime". ( as they used to say in old movies. )

Never been in a situation like that, but if he had simply reported the vehicle license plate number to police, they would be able to easily ID the father. A simple Google search shows he is well known on the internet.

it would have simpler than,

We did begin an investigation in an attempt to locate and identify those parties,” Scott Tracey, media relations coordinator with the Guelph Police Service, confirmed.
They then shared a picture of Puddle and his daughter, which began making the rounds on social media.

 

[Haggis]

Never been in a situation like that, but if he had simply reported the vehicle license plate number to police, they would be able to easily ID the father registered owner of that plate, not necessarily the occupant/operator.

FTFY.

Logan was probably in a bit of a panic, as many would be when they see/think they see a crime in progress. He did what he thought was right, given his life experience and training (if any). There's a million variables in situations like this. Bottom line is that he did something.

As for the Guelph Police Service, they ran with what they had.

 

[mariomike]

FTFY.

Thank you for FTFY my post.

Yes, I do understand the licence plate IDs the owner.

Perhaps let social media do its thing.

The trouble with this type of public advocacy is it is unfiltered. it can range from a legitimate concern based on reasonable observations of the context, interactions, setting, etc. all the way to people who simply hate all males, social justice warriors and people who simply have to inject themselves into everybody else's lives.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So you'd be okay with being confronted by the cops every time you are in the public with your daughter and having to explain yourself?

The trouble with this type of public advocacy is it is unfiltered. it can range from a legitimate concern based on reasonable observations of the context, interactions, setting, etc. all the way to people who simply hate all males, social justice warriors and people who simply have to inject themselves into everybody else's lives.

I'd rather that, than seeing the same young girl, face down in a creek on the 6pm news.

I would also think my local cops would be smart enough to recognise us after the first couple of times. If you see something, say something.

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