Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[lenaitch]

Learn something new everyday- super interesting. Thanks man.

About Us - Town of Annapolis Royal

The Annapolis Royal Police has a long history of serving the Town of Annapolis Royal.Our first documented officer was Rose Fortune. ( Circa 1825 )She began working as a baggage carrier, transporting luggage and provisions from ships, which she would deliver in her wheelbarrow. Later, she...

annapolisroyal.com

Police commission- 5 members.

Police force? 1 chief, 2 cops, 1 part timer lol

Weird huh? A buddy used to be Chair of their Board. Their chief came from the UK to somewhere out west to AR.

I couldn't find the list that I know is out there but as far as I can recall, Deep River is the smallest remaining municipal PS in Ontario at 9.

The legislation governing policing in Ontario lays out how a municipality can provide policing (stand-alone, joint, contract to another municipality, contract to the OPP) and what services they have to provide themselves or can have an agreement for another service to provide and what are considered 'provincial services' provided free by the OPP. For example, if you have/pay for a PS, you have to provide uniformed patrol, but you can farm out things like communications, canine and diving. There are also 'shared services agreements'. Where I am, the city police has free access to the OPP canine unit and the OPP has use of the city's tactical team (the closest OPP team is about 2 1/2 hours away).

Whether a police provides 'adequate and effective' policing has historically been up to the council and taxpayers. There has always been the authority of the Sol-Gen to intervene but since costs were driven down to the municipality in the '90s the government has been quite happy to stay out of it. It will be interesting now with the new Inspectorate of Policing whether service delivery becomes auditable. Smaller services that recognize their lanes and call in assistance at the first sign of need would probably fare okay, but there are some out there that have convinced their councils and boards that they are an all-singin'-all dancin' service and can get in way over their head (or simply out of hatred of the OPP). Thankfully, most of the worst offender have disbanded.

 

[brihard]

Weird huh? A buddy used to be Chair of their Board. Their chief came from the UK to somewhere out west to AR.

I couldn't find the list that I know is out there but as far as I can recall, Deep River is the smallest remaining municipal PS in Ontario at 9.

The legislation governing policing in Ontario lays out how a municipality can provide policing (stand-alone, joint, contract to another municipality, contract to the OPP) and what services they have to provide themselves or can have an agreement for another service to provide and what are considered 'provincial services' provided free by the OPP. For example, if you have/pay for a PS, you have to provide uniformed patrol, but you can farm out things like communications, canine and diving. There are also 'shared services agreements'. Where I am, the city police has free access to the OPP canine unit and the OPP has use of the city's tactical team (the closest OPP team is about 2 1/2 hours away).

Whether a police provides 'adequate and effective' policing has historically been up to the council and taxpayers. There has always been the authority of the Sol-Gen to intervene but since costs were driven down to the municipality in the '90s the government has been quite happy to stay out of it. It will be interesting now with the new Inspectorate of Policing whether service delivery becomes auditable. Smaller services that recognize their lanes and call in assistance at the first sign of need would probably fare okay, but there are some out there that have convinced their councils and boards that they are an all-singin'-all dancin' service and can get in way over their head (or simply out of hatred of the OPP). Thankfully, most of the worst offender have disbanded.

Quebec’s provincial law around policing defines specific levels of service and the types of investigations and response to be provided very well and cleanly. Section 69 and 70 of their act are a great ‘cheat sheet’ when trying to draw up a list of what type of cop work their is for level of service comparisons.

https://www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/fr/document/lc/P-13.1?langCont=en#se:69

 

[lenaitch]

Quebec’s provincial law around policing defines specific levels of service and the types of investigations and response to be provided very well and cleanly. Section 69 and 70 of their act are a great ‘cheat sheet’ when trying to draw up a list of what type of cop work their is for level of service comparisons.

https://www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/fr/document/lc/P-13.1?langCont=en#se:69

From what little I know of it, the prescriptive Quebec model has much merit. It defines both what municipalities can and cannot have a police service and, if they do, what it can do.

 

[brihard]

From what little I know of it, the prescriptive Quebec model has much merit. It defines both what municipalities can and cannot have a police service and, if they do, what it can do.

And it leaves room for a municipality to apply to the ministry for approval to develop a capability above their prescribed level of service, so there’s flexibility with control and oversight.

 

[daftandbarmy]

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[dapaterson]

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And yet, when one went to a disciplinary hearing, Chief Stubbs did not request dismissal. And it appears that despite a slam dunk criminal case for improper access of a database, the evidence was not referred to the Crown for prosecution.

The Chief is part of the problem.

 

[Booter]

And yet, when one went to a disciplinary hearing, Chief Stubbs did not request dismissal. And it appears that despite a slam dunk criminal case for improper access of a database, the evidence was not referred to the Crown for prosecution.

The Chief is part of the problem.

I can’t find that story anymore- can you link it so I can look at the details?

 

[dapaterson]

Ottawa police officer demoted for unauthorized searches into ex-partners and others

Under a settlement, Const. Jerome Rabiha-Stevens will be demoted from first-class constable to second-class constable for 18 months.

ottawacitizen.com

Dude also crashed his cruiser into a vehicle driven by someone who, from the reporting, appears to be a male friend of the constable's former romantic partner. Once again, no criminal charges.

Ottawa Police is a circus, and the chief is a clown.

 

[lenaitch]

There was a time in the early days of CPIC, particularly after provincial vehicle registration data was linked, when it was pretty common for cops to run just about anybody, friends, neighbours, kids' boyfriends and girlfriends, their own boyfriends and girlfriends. It was just too handy. For a time, one OPP Commissioner declared that that, if any member was charged under the PSA for unauthorized use of police data, they would serve notice of intent to dismiss. I don't think if ever happened but it sure put the fear of god in everyone.

 

[mariomike]

CPIC Tinder.

For the win!

 

[dapaterson]

There was a time in the early days of CPIC, particularly after provincial vehicle registration data was linked, when it was pretty common for cops to run just about anybody, friends, neighbours, kids' boyfriends and girlfriends, their own boyfriends and girlfriends. It was just too handy. For a time, one OPP Commissioner declared that that, if any member was charged under the PSA for unauthorized use of police data, they would serve notice of intent to dismiss. I don't think if ever happened but it sure put the fear of god in everyone.

As I understand, the RCMP operates CPIC. Should they be investigating and laying charges in cases like this?

 

[lenaitch]

As I understand, the RCMP operates CPIC. Should they be investigating and laying charges in cases like this?

They 'own' the servers and other bits of the network and oversee operating policy, but don't own all of the data. Besides, unless you are suggesting criminal charges, the RCMP only exercises discipline authority over its own people. Other law enforcement and allied agencies have their own governing legisilation. Even with criminal charges, the offence occurs at the point of use, not where that data is stored.

 

[dapaterson]

They 'own' the servers and other bits of the network and oversee operating policy, but don't own all of the data. Besides, unless you are suggesting criminal charges, the RCMP only exercises discipline authority over its own people. Other law enforcement and allied agencies have their own governing legisilation. Even with criminal charges, the offence occurs at the point of use, not where that data is stored.

I am suggesting criminal charges.

There's no double jeopardy attached (admin vs criminal); the access was (based on available information) clearly unwarranted (no pun intended).

So why is this stalker not facing criminal repercussions? A police badge should not be a get out of jail free card.

 

[Halifax Tar]

A police badge should not be a get out of jail free card.

Every job has its perks ?

 

[Booter]

I am suggesting criminal charges.

There's no double jeopardy attached (admin vs criminal); the access was (based on available information) clearly unwarranted (no pun intended).

So why is this stalker not facing criminal repercussions? A police badge should not be a get out of jail free card.

Police of jurisdiction lay charges. Just how it’s done.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/robert-semenchuck-sentencing-arguments-9.7057689

Police officers are convicted as you say. In this particular Ontario case who knows- it could be that they discussed it with crown and it was determined to not go forward for whatever reason- we don’t know what we don’t know.

It would also be very unusual to explain why not in anyone’s case not just a police officer.

I believe it should be super easy and quick to lose your job as a police officer. Canada disagrees