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David Perkins, in the Globe and Mail starts us off for a discussion of politics in what's left of 2015:

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Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorial-cartoons-for-october-2015/article26577881/
 
Look, Ma! No safety net.

I wonder how long it will take for Margaret to come out of the woodwork and defend "her baby" after the first serious negative media report on how he is doing, or the first attack by Sun media's infotainers?
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
Look, Ma! No safety net.

I wonder how long it will take for Margaret to come out of the woodwork and defend "her baby" after the first serious negative media report on how he is doing, or the first attack by Sun media's infotainers?

I wouldn't be surprised if she has been nicely asked not to do just that - it would then bring up all sorts of ammo for snipes about needing Mom to defend him, etc. 
 
If Pierre-Elliot Trudeau could not control her, do you think any of the current Liberal political hacks can  ;D.
 
CBC article by Neil Macdonald: "Let's give Margaret Trudeau the respect she deserves"

link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-politics-margaret-trudeau-neil-macdonald-1.3282894

Excerpts:
Margaret Trudeau is now several times a grandmother; a retiring figure not terribly well known anymore to most Canadians.

There was a time, though, when she was one of the most famous women alive. Not just national fame, but consuming, global, Angelina Jolie fame.

Few Canadians had ever attained that sort of recognition. And in those more provincial days, Canadians seemed to resent it. We made her pay for it, too, I am ashamed to say.

Maggie, as the Ottawa press condescendingly called her, didn't have a malicious bone in her body.

She was guileless, and we were predatory. Our stories were full of snide references to the "flower girl" our Jesuitical prime minister had brought home.

We behaved like Hollywood paparazzi. When she ran off to party with the Rolling Stones (who of us wouldn't have if we'd had the chance?) we became night crawlers.

We hounded her. We would call every big hotel in Toronto, trying to imagine pseudonyms she might be using, using pseudonyms ourselves.

She landed a role in a film, Kings and Desperate Men. It was never released. We grinned.

She turned up dancing at Studio 54 (a place we'd never have been allowed near, let alone inside). We sneered.

She decided to become a photographer. We snarked. King Hussein of Jordan presented her with a full collection of Nikon equipment. We demanded to know if she'd paid tax on it.

...

Rod MacIvor of the UPI met her in 1975. He was in the line at a press reception, and she asked him for photo lessons.

...

A few months later, MacIvor got a phone message: "I won't be able to make it to our lesson, Rod. They're locking me up."

"I called her and said 'Margaret, don't do this to me. I work for a news agency. Are they locking you up against your will?' She said no, I have to do this. The doctors agree."

Margaret Trudeau was being treated for mental illness. It would have been huge news, but MacIvor kept it to himself. Her business, he figured.

Of course, Margaret Trudeau has since talked publicly about her bipolar disorder, and the way she lived her life back in those days.

On CBC's As It Happens the other night, she laughed that glassy laugh of hers, and said she can get away with anything, because "I'm half-crazy, or half-demented."

It was self-effacing, and it was utterly charming. Except our new prime minister lived all this, and must have obsessed over it. I know I would have.

He grew up watching his mother patronized, and chased, and mocked. Even in the past few years, garbage-mouth media types on the political right have scolded her self-righteously.

Justin Trudeau seems to carry no grudge, though. He actually defended a reporter against hecklers in the campaign's final days.

But MacIvor, who went on to document Pierre and Maggie and their kids to an extent few other Canadian journalists could even dream of, says the pain lingers.

"I asked him to come to one of my exhibits [of Trudeau pictures] after his father died," he says. "And he said 'I just can't, man. Maybe someday, but not now.'

"I wish he could have, but I understand. I mean, that was his family album up on the wall."
 
I skimmed that this morning.  Since I don't think she deserves much respect, I foresee no problem fulfilling MacDonald's wish.

"When she ran off to party with the Rolling Stones (who of us wouldn't have if we'd had the chance?)"

That's easy to answer - people who merit respect would not.  When you get a wild hair up your *** and desert your family to be a groupie, you don't merit respect.  At least the GTOs were entertaining and tried to find some purpose.

[Add: maybe he could write another article explaining why Stephen Harper deserved no respect.]
 
Paul Wells, writing in Maclean's, reports on "unrest" in the first Conservative caucus and notes that defeated MPs have not been invited to the Conservative caucus meeting in Ottawa.

Paul Wells says that this action "is a highly unusual step for any party to take. As a rule, both newly-elected and returning MPs, and incumbent MPs who ran but were defeated, are invited to the first meeting after caucus. Defeated MPs still have flight privileges on for a short time after an election, so they can return to Ottawa to clean out their offices. As a result, they are usually able to come back for one final caucus meeting with their former colleagues.

Those meetings can sometimes get hot for a leader, and a party apparatus, that failed to secure re-election. Defeated MPs have just spent months knocking on doors, and become conduits for the anger they heard from voters. It is apparently for that reason that Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s allies in the party leadership, including Party President John Walsh and Harper’s chief of staff Ray Novak, are not inviting defeated candidates for the first post-election caucus meeting, apparently in mid-November: They want to contain a rising tide of anger against Harper and his campaign."


And he adds that "The attempt to shield the Conservative Party leadership from criticism is consistent with patterns that set in during the campaign itself. Sources said Novak was so defensive of Harper that he angrily rejected reports that the leader had become a personal liability for the Conservatives on the campaign trail. And there is growing concern in the party over Harper’s apparent plan to stay on as an MP.

“We can’t have the frank discussions that are necessary for renewal if Mr. Harper is there in the room, like Diefenbaker after he stopped being Tory leader,” one MP said."


But, as one member suggested, in another thread, Prime Minister Harper may welcome the legal immunity that Parliament affords to its members.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Paul Wells, writing in Maclean's, reports on "unrest" in the first Conservative caucus and notes that defeated MPs have not been invited to the Conservative caucus meeting in Ottawa.

Paul Wells says that this action [size=12pt]"is a highly unusual step for any party to take. As a rule, both newly-elected and returning MPs, and incumbent MPs who ran but were defeated, are invited to the first meeting after caucus. Defeated MPs still have flight privileges on for a short time after an election, so they can return to Ottawa to clean out their offices. As a result, they are usually able to come back for one final caucus meeting with their former colleagues.


It would be interesting to see what would happen if they just took it upon themselves to show up anyway. 

Would the meeting happen before the new Parliament convenes?  If so, would they not still be part of the existing caucus?
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Paul Wells, writing in Maclean's, reports on "unrest" in the first Conservative caucus and notes that defeated MPs have not been invited to the Conservative caucus meeting in Ottawa.

Paul Wells says that this action [size=12pt]"is a highly unusual step for any party to take. As a rule, both newly-elected and returning MPs, and incumbent MPs who ran but were defeated, are invited to the first meeting after caucus. Defeated MPs still have flight privileges on for a short time after an election, so they can return to Ottawa to clean out their offices. As a result, they are usually able to come back for one final caucus meeting with their former colleagues. ....

That strikes me as more than a bit mean spirited to people who've worked their butts off.
 
Brian Gable, in the Globe and Mail, reminds us that, back when Stéphane Dion Dion was leader there was talk of an alliance between the Greens and the Liberals and Ms May was, back then, angling for a seat at (or near) the cabinet table ...

         
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          Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorial-cartoons-for-october-2015/article26577881/

              ... so there is some weight behind Mr Gable's speculation. It's not the Prime Minister designate Trudeau has a shortage of seats or of qualified women or of greenies, for that matter. But there might be some merit, to paraphrase
                  the late US President Lyndon Johnson, in having Ms May "on the inside, pissing out, rather than on the outside, pissing in."
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Paul Wells, writing in Maclean's, reports on "unrest" in the first Conservative caucus and notes that defeated MPs have not been invited to the Conservative caucus meeting in Ottawa.

Paul Wells says that this action "is a highly unusual step for any party to take. As a rule, both newly-elected and returning MPs, and incumbent MPs who ran but were defeated, are invited to the first meeting after caucus. Defeated MPs still have flight privileges on for a short time after an election, so they can return to Ottawa to clean out their offices. As a result, they are usually able to come back for one final caucus meeting with their former colleagues.

Those meetings can sometimes get hot for a leader, and a party apparatus, that failed to secure re-election. Defeated MPs have just spent months knocking on doors, and become conduits for the anger they heard from voters. It is apparently for that reason that Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s allies in the party leadership, including Party President John Walsh and Harper’s chief of staff Ray Novak, are not inviting defeated candidates for the first post-election caucus meeting, apparently in mid-November: They want to contain a rising tide of anger against Harper and his campaign."


And he adds that "The attempt to shield the Conservative Party leadership from criticism is consistent with patterns that set in during the campaign itself. Sources said Novak was so defensive of Harper that he angrily rejected reports that the leader had become a personal liability for the Conservatives on the campaign trail. And there is growing concern in the party over Harper’s apparent plan to stay on as an MP.

“We can’t have the frank discussions that are necessary for renewal if Mr. Harper is there in the room, like Diefenbaker after he stopped being Tory leader,” one MP said."


But, as one member suggested, in another thread, Prime Minister Harper may welcome the legal immunity that Parliament affords to its members.

This makes me very worried for the Blue.  The main issue for the Conservatives is that they could never get along internally, Harper dealt with that by crushing all dissent.  The main problem with the Conservatives is that they are self righteous and "nasty" and unlike the self righteous and "nice" on the left (tough love is a harder sell than big hugs for everyone).  The Conservatives are at their best when they treat everyone as an equal ( a core principal in conservative philosophy).  Only making things worse.  Hopefully a new interim leader can crack some heads together and get the ball rolling despite problematical egos.
 
Underway said:
This makes me very worried for the Blue.  The main issue for the Conservatives is that they could never get along internally, Harper dealt with that by crushing all dissent.  The main problem with the Conservatives is that they are self righteous and "nasty" and unlike the self righteous and "nice" on the left (tough love is a harder sell than big hugs for everyone).  The Conservatives are at their best when they treat everyone as an equal ( a core principal in conservative philosophy).  Only making things worse.  Hopefully a new interim leader can crack some heads together and get the ball rolling despite problematical egos.


There is some speculation that the reason for part of this is that the new caucus must elect the interim leader; but it's not as though we're dealing with a "cast of thousands," it cannot be beyond the wit of man to have two sessions: one to say "hail and farewell" and do the "depart with dignity" thing for defeat caucus members, and the other for those in the new caucus to elect the interim leader.
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/trudeau-beats-harper-but-canada-could-prove-hard-to-change/story-e6frg6z6-1227580473286

Trudeau beats Harper but Canada could prove hard to change

The Australian, Henry Ergas, Columnist, Sydney

As he prepares to leave 24 Sussex Drive, the large, somewhat dilapidated, limestone house in the New Edinburgh neighbourhood of ­Ottawa that is the official residence of Canada’s prime ministers, Stephen Harper remains an enigmatic figure.

He proved far more successful than Canada’s political pundits predicted, becoming Canada’s sixth longest serving prime minister by transforming the seemingly fragile minority governments he led after the 2006 and 2008 elections into a solid Conservative Party majority in 2011. And although he had been caricatured as a right-wing extremist, he showed himself to be a cautious reformer who — in the words of Canadian journalist Paul Wells — operated “not by revolution or even really by evolution, but by erosion”.

Now, with the charismatic Justin Trudeau leading a reinvigorated Liberal Party to a convincing victory, Harper’s goal of entrenching a conservative ascendancy lies in tatters. But Harper’s studied incrementalism doesn’t mean his legacy is insignificant, nor does his defeat mean it will be readily reversed. And despite its resounding win, it will not be easy for the new Trudeau government to deliver on even its relatively restrained election promises, especially as Canada’s economy, which contracted for a second consecutive quarter between April and June, continues to suffer from low prices for the crude oil and minerals that are the country’s largest exports.

Lacking both the long experience and the rigorous academic training his father, Pierre Trudeau, had when he swept to office in 1968, Justin Trudeau may therefore find it hard to manage the conflict between high expectations and harsh realities, with the risks made all the greater by the complex and volatile features of Canadian political life.

It is natural for Australians to assume those features essentially parallel our own. And yes, there are similarities in the trends at work, and lessons to be drawn from the Canadian experience. But it is important to understand that the dynamics of Canadian politics differ in important respects from those in Australia, giving the trends a distinct form.

At the heart of the differences is the fact Canada’s federalism, which vests far-reaching powers in the provinces, is immeasurably more vigorous than Australia’s has ever been. No doubt, that is partly due to the linguistic diversity Quebec brings to the federation, a diversity historian Garth Stevenson describes as the “dominant fact” in Canada’s history. But it would be an error to think Canadian federalism merely serves to accommodate the Quebecois’ demands.

Rather, the decentralised nature of Canadian government reflects and perpetuates deep-seated differences between the provinces in terms of political cultures and traditions. For example, even in Canada’s west, the Left-Right split does not appear in the same form: on the Left, the populism of Manitoba and Saskatchewan, with its agrarian roots, is not the same as the union-dominated radicalism of British Columbia, while the Right has long been more libertarian in British Columbia and Alberta than the “Red Tories” of the midwest.

As those differences crystallised, forces that in other countries encouraged centralisation did not do so in Canada. In particular, the Canadian welfare state developed largely at a provincial level, with Pierre Trudeau writing that Canadian social democracy had been built from the provinces up, instead of raining from Ottawa down. Quite contrary to what happened in Australia, the rise in social spending therefore led to a dramatic expansion in the remit of the provinces, rather than of the national government.

But Canada’s enduring federalism, and the diversity that underpins it, not only affects the allocation of powers, it also shapes political competition at a federal level. More specifically, because of that diversity the political contest does not merely involve a Left-Right dimension but also a clash between centralism and federalism in all their varieties. Periodically, those two aspects of party choice have come into conflict, disrupting, and at times restructuring, the political landscape.

Until the 1920s, for example, elections were fought between the Conservatives and the Liberals, with each major party representing highly heterogeneous interests. But those catch-all movements could not absorb the social tensions of the period, causing a proliferation of regional parties that mobilised interests the main parties had tended to ignore. Once those parties secured a firm, even if localised, base, party politics in the provinces came to ­diverge from that at the federal level. As a result, the federal parties developed only relatively shallow roots in the provinces, particularly where parties that did not operate federally, such as the social credit parties of the far west and Maurice Duplessis’s Union Nationale in Quebec, dominated the scene.

In itself, the disjuncture between the provincial and federal layer did not destabilise national politics. But that was primarily because the Liberal Party managed to acquire a hegemonic role, largely by sticking to a script Quebec Liberal Wilfrid Laurier, who served as Canada’s first francophone prime minister from 1896 to 1911, had developed.

The essence of Laurier’s script was that the Liberal Party accepted a relatively weak role for Canada’s executive branch, mainly keeping peace between French and English Canadians, while leaving responsibility for policymaking to parliament, and especially to the separate provincial governments.

By thus casting itself as the protector of provincial prerogatives, including, crucially, those of Quebec, the Liberal Party was able to win nearly two-thirds of Quebec’s seats throughout the period from 1900 to 1980, giving it almost half the seats it needed to form a majority government in the federal parliament. With the party hewing rigidly to the centre on the Left-Right dimension of politics, it could then always secure enough seats in the other provinces to get over the line.

Thanks to that grasp on Quebec’s federal votes, the Liberal Party was not seriously threatened when the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation, a socialist movement that was formed in Alberta but acquired prominence in Saskatchewan, emerged as a national party, eventually transforming itself, with backing from the Canadian unions, into the New Democratic Party.

Unlike the situation in Australia, the rise of a labour party did not therefore lead the forces that opposed labour to consolidate, creating a two-party system; instead, Canadian federal politics evolved into a three-party system, with a centrist party flanked by parties on its left and its right. Nor did the fact that the centre party so overwhelmingly dominated federal politics cause its weaker rivals to reposition themselves, as their stance was sufficiently attractive in particular provinces to allow them to control those provinces for lengthy periods.

There was, however, an inherent tension between a three-party structure and Canada’s strict first-past-the-post electoral system. As was apparent in the provinces, the effect of having both could be to entrench governments that had a relatively narrow electoral base: for example, thanks to competition between their opponents, the Conservatives held office continuously in Ontario from 1943 to 1985, despite never securing a majority of votes. But as was also clear in the provinces, the combination of a three-party system with first-past-the-post could lead to dramatic instability, both because voters did not need to move very far along the Left-Right continuum when they changed their vote and because small shifts in voting behaviour could induce large changes in the seat count.

The seeming stability of the Canadian political system was therefore somewhat illusory, with political scientist CES Franks estimating in 1987 that “only 20 per cent of Canadian MPs at most can reasonably feel assured they, and their party, will hold their seat in the next election, whereas nearly 80 per cent of British and US members can have this confidence”. Moreover, the instability became more acute over time.

A number of factors were at work. To begin with, in Quebec, which had long been intensely socially conservative, the “quiet revolution” of the 60s drastically weakened historic elites, shifting public opinion both to the left and towards Quebecois separatism. As that happened, voters who had reliably voted for the Liberals in federal elections became increasingly volatile. At the same time, the development of energy sources in the west gave rise to new rows over fiscal federalism, reigniting the sense that Canada’s west got a raw deal.

Faced with those tensions, Pierre Trudeau made the situation worse, with his constitutional centralism alienating the Liberal voting base in Quebec, while his move to the left aggravated the hostility the Liberals had long encountered in the west. Trudeau was, in effect, trapped: to retain Quebec he needed to move to the left and in the direction of giving Quebec greater powers; to retain any support in the west he needed to do the exact opposite; and the policies he had in train undermined his grasp on the shrinking middle ground.

He thereby created an opening for Brian Mulroney, whose Progressive Conservatives forged an alliance between Quebec nationalists and conservative voters in western Canada. But while Mulroney triumphed in the federal election of 1984, the alliance on which his power rested was as unstable as it was unnatural. Unsurprisingly, it collapsed when Mulroney tried to cement the structure of Canadian federalism in new constitutional agreements; in the process, the Progressive Conservatives shattered, with a new, right-of-centre Reform Party forming in the west, while the Bloc Quebecois, the first Quebec-based party to contest federal elections, gathered the province’s disaffected centrist leaders.

The result was to fragment the conservative vote, leading to the disastrous election result of 1993, in which the former majority party saw its share of the vote fall from 42 per cent to 16 per cent while it went from a 151-seat majority to holding just two seats. The unprecedented rout gave the Liberals a new, lengthy, term in government; but the forces that had produced the instability did not go away.

On the contrary, as the Liberals, mindful of Trudeau’s errors, tried to recapture the middle ground, powerful challengers emerged. On their left, the NDP, under the highly effective leadership of Jack Layton, patiently developed a national footprint, securing a presence in social-democratic Quebec; while on the right Harper had managed, by 2003, to consolidate the conservative forces into a new Conservative Party, strongly anchored in the country’s west. With the Liberals caught up in an ugly corruption scandal, the ground was set for the Conservatives to claim government in 2006.

Subsequent elections only underscored the volatility that by 2006 was already apparent. Especially startling were the outcomes in 2011, when the Liberals, who had so completely dominated Canadian politics in the 20th century, got barely 10 per cent of the vote, and the party’s leader, Michael Ignatieff, lost his own riding (as electorates are called in Canada) to a little-known management consultant.

In contrast, the NDP doubled its share of the vote, as nearly a third of those who had voted Liberal in 2008 moved to the NDP.

It was an appreciation of that volatility, and of the risks it posed, that underpinned Harper’s gradualism. Attempted revolutions, he knew, are soon enough undone, as had happened to Mike Harris’s Common Sense Revolution in Ontario, with its laudable emphasis on slashing public spending and restoring fiscal discipline; rather, Harper’s goal was to change Canada in ways that are difficult to reverse. For that, he needed the time to take many small decisions, whose cumulative impact would be felt only in the longer run; and as the Conservatives, even in 2011, had secured only 40 per cent of the vote, it would not take much for his party to lose government.

Harper consequently shunned high-profile initiatives far removed from Canadians’ everyday concerns, such as the constitutional reforms Pierre Trudeau and Mulroney had attempted. He also avoided overblown rhetoric and, after winning a majority, emphasised the dangers of hubris. His strategy was to seek ownership by the Conservatives of the issues the electorate truly regarded as crucial.

At least in 2011, that strategy proved highly effective. According to Canadian Election Study, which surveys voters at each federal election, until 2000 Canadians rated the Liberals as the best at creating jobs, managing the economy, fighting crime and improving healthcare. By 2008 and 2011, the situation had almost completely reversed, with the Conservatives leading in economic competence and the commitment to law and order.

Harper’s careful management of the stimulus spending, where Canada’s auditor general even congratulated him on the care his government had taken in ensuring proper rules were followed, helped cement the perception of competence.

But the strategy was hardly without risks. Lying low might blunt voters’ hostility, but it did not endear Harper to them, or bridge the gap that separated him from the 60 per cent of the electorate that had not voted Conservative; rather, it increased his vulnerability to a competitor who had greater public appeal. Moreover, having veered to the left in 2011, there was always a danger the Liberals would edge back towards the centre, combining a plausible economic platform with a more socially progressive message than Harper could or would adopt.

And once Layton died, to be replaced by the much less popular Tom Mulcair, the NDP might prove less effective at taking the Liberals’ votes, strengthening their chances directly and by reducing the flow to the Conservatives of Liberal voters intent on preventing the NDP from securing government.

As it turned out, all those risks eventuated this year. Not only was Justin Trudeau more charismatic than Harper, he managed to seem more centrist than his platform actually is, while his social progressivism contrasts with Harper’s avowedly socially conservative views. Moreover, the ethnic vote, which Harper had cultivated and secured in 2011, proved far more fickle than conservative strategists had expected. And instead of the inexperienced Trudeau crashing in the course of the long election campaign, its casualty was Mulcair, with the NDP losing two-thirds of the Quebec seats it had gained in 2011.

The outcome, by Australian standards, seems catastrophic for the Conservatives, whose share of the vote is now back to where it stood in 2004, immediately after the new party was formed. And equally, it seems like an triumph for the Liberals, who, it may be thought, are positioned to reclaim their historic hegemonic role.

But Harper will cast a long shadow. As the Conservatives slashed the GST and federal income taxes, the kitty is bare. Even if they raise income taxes on top earners, as they have promised to do, the Liberals will struggle to meet their commitments to cut taxes on middle-income households and increase infrastructure spending, while nonetheless meeting their fiscal targets.

And a slowing economy will make it even harder for Trudeau to square that circle. With the fiscal noose being among Harper’s most constraining legacies, there is every likelihood that the budget performance of Trudeau fils will come to resemble that of Trudeau pere, exposing the new government to a chorus of criticism.

Moreover, as with Pierre Trudeau’s national energy strategy, Justin Trudeau’s climate change policies and his reluctance to confront the US on the Keystone XL pipeline extension will touch raw nerves in Canada’s west. And however large its loss, the Conservative Party, which is now firmly implanted in the west, will find those sensitivities easy to exploit.

Finally, although Quebec has swung solidly Liberal, the serried ranks of novice Quebec MPs can prove a poisoned chalice, pushing the Liberals away from the centre.

The difficulties of managing electoral volatility are therefore as great as they have ever been. And if there is a lesson to be drawn from the Canadian experience it is that there are no magic bullets that can bring it under control.

Where voters are inherently footloose, failures may be fleeting, but triumphs are too. And tactical and strategic errors are punished sooner, and more severely, than in earlier, less competitive, days — perhaps making politicians more risk averse than the gravity of the nation’s problems would warrant.

None of that may much worry Trudeau; nor could it console Harper.

As Tony Benn wrote in his diary when Margaret Thatcher resigned, prime ministers, on losing office, “drop into the darkest of all worlds between the headlines and the history books”. Like his close friend Tony Abbott, that world awaits Harper at the exit to Sussex Drive.
 
Well world reaction didn't take too long to manifest:

http://www.therebel.media/dollar_plunges_after_trudeau_s_win

"It's like every Canadian just got a pay cut" as dollar plunges after Trudeau's win
Ezra Levant
Rebel Commander

The Canadian dollar dropped nearly two percentage points after Justin Trudeau's Liberals swept to a majority in the federal election.

That's almost two cents in four days.

During that period, only one thing as changed on the national scene:

39.5% of Canadians voted for a Liberal who has promised to raise taxes and spending, run a deficit and oppose the oil industry.

Everything we import just got more expensive, and we'll get paid less for everything we export.

It's like every Canadian just got a pay cut.
 
Ezra Levant from the rebel.

Now a economist.

Of course he would cite justin trudeaus win, because it's not like the bank of Canada decides to leave the interest rate where it was or that commodity prices dropped, especially the price of oil.

Nope nope nope.
 
How does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot? If Mr Harper can be responsible for every bad thing that happened to people when he was in charge, why not Mr Trudeau? That's a rhetorical question by the way... I'm not really expecting an answer.
 
ModlrMike said:
How does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot? If Mr Harper can be responsible for every bad thing that happened to people when he was in charge, why not Mr Trudeau? That's a rhetorical question by the way... I'm not really expecting an answer.
I'll let you know how it feels when

A) He's actually Prime Minister and

B) When it comes from a credible media source, not the Ezra the troll.
 
1. Ezra is reporting an objective fact (the Canadian Dollar dropped incredibly fast right after the election results were in), so even if you don't like the style, you should pay attention to the substance.

2. I actually found this looking at the American site "Instapundit", which indicates that some Americans are also paying attention to the issue

3. I doubt international currency traders in "The City" (London, England) pay much attention to Ezra Levant, but they are most certainly paying attention to Canadian politics as well......

The people who voted for "Change" are certainly getting it hard and fast, and probably much faster than they expected....
For those of you who bought the ticket, enjoy the ride.
 
Thucydides said:
1. Ezra is reporting an objective fact (the Canadian Dollar dropped incredibly fast right after the election results were in), so even if you don't like the style, you should pay attention to the substance.

2. I actually found this looking at the American site "Instapundit", which indicates that some Americans are also paying attention to the issue

3. I doubt international currency traders in "The City" (London, England) pay much attention to Ezra Levant, but they are most certainly paying attention to Canadian politics as well......

The people who voted for "Change" are certainly getting it hard and fast, and probably much faster than they expected....
For those of you who bought the ticket, enjoy the ride.
How much would you attribute that to the LPC win, the drop in oil prices in recent days and the bank of Canada decision to leave interest rates where they are?

I would tell you how much weight each one carries in my opinion, but I'm biased.
 
Thucydides said:
1. Ezra is reporting an objective fact (the Canadian Dollar dropped incredibly fast right after the election results were in), so even if you don't like the style, you should pay attention to the substance.
1)  Ezra is reporting two points on a graph - and not even getting the math right (looks more like 0.9 cents drop than 2 cents - see first attached graph).  He didn't say much about "everyone taking a pay cut" in 2008/09 or so during a far bigger dip, or how it's been dropping since mid-2012 (see second attached graph), and linking it all to one single event.  At that level, he's no different than any other reporter cranking up the heat without much meat.
2)  Then you won't object to someone saying any subsequent rise in the dollar is because of Trudeau's election?  Or are too many other factors at play to make that connection?

It's been said elsewhere around these threads that all media are biased - at least we know where Ezra's coming from.  It's all in the eye of the beholder ....
 
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