Possible Clothe the Soldier dropleg setup?

[medaid]

oooo FarmBoy can design my going to the sand box kit anyday... how much do you charge an hour? Would a bottle of Johny Walker do?  ;D

 

[Bzzliteyr]

And once again.. we are back to bitching about the tacvest.. hehe

 

[Bomber]

A drop leg platform has been designed, and will be on trial with the Van Doos in Texas shortly.  The platform uses the same panel as the canteen and C9 pouch on the TV.  So far, I have seen..... The M203 attachment, a molle style attachment, and double mag pouches.  I gave a prototype a whirl on a little walk, strapping a CTS platform with 4 mags to my left leg and a well known aftermarket companies 4 mag leg pouch on the other leg.  The unnamed one almost pulled my pants off, but the CTS one stayed put.  So, pending a positive result from the gents in Texas, there may be a new piece of kit coming down.  It doesn't address everything on the TV, but nothing short of a complete re-design and re-issue will.  There is a DLR rep in KAF on every roto, seek him out and provide clear information on any inservice item from tanks to trucks to TV's.  They can send the info back to O-town, and it can get looked at.  Once again, a UCR is far more effective than complaining on the interweb.  DLR personnel don't read these pages, but do read the UCR's.  I know that ArmyVern linked the UCR form to this site a while ago.  Use it.  If you have a specific complaint that you would like me to bring up to the DLR fols, shoot me a PM, I eat lunch with them, and get to try almost every piece of kit that comes in.     

 

[Bzzliteyr]

Hmm, I was checking out everyone in Texas for their droplegs.. seeing as I wasn't allowed to wear my CP Gear holster unless we left the camp.  I didn't see anything "high speed" that caught my eye. Was it a whole holster system?  Or just a drop leg panel?

 

[Bomber]

Not a holster, just a panel, with two straps for around the leg and a long one on top for the belt loops.  the platform can have the M203  pouch on it, or the Molle panel, or the mag pouches, or the canteen, or the C9 pouch.  I don't know who actually received it in the south, but I was the one that loaded all of it onto a truck that went to Trenton to be shipped to Texas.

 

[Bomber]

Just found out that the stuff was not shipped to Texas, it is being held for a trial with a yet un named infantry company in the near future.

 

[Matt_Fisher]

Were there 125 of these drop-leg panels?  I think we may have an answer for the question about what/which vest/platform is going to a company in 3R22eme that Bzz mentioned earlier.

 

[armyvern]

This thread is being moved back to the main boards. Some posts containing some OPSEC/PERSEC information have been removed, as well as any posts that were in reponse to those posts.

Patrick O will be along shortly to post an update.

The Librarian
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[PJOsborne]

Thanks to Vern and the DS.

As I mentioned earlier, I am working on an electronic copy of the AAR and I am nearly finished with it. Any interested parties are welcome to PM me and I will send you a copy once it is ready. This way, the potentially sensitive information of the AAR will not be posted in a public venue.

I'm very interested to see how these new CTS items will finally look and how they perform in the field. I'm not expecting a miracle either way, though. I side with the majority of the posters here who think that CTS is trying to use a bandaid solution, poorly executed, to solve a problem.

 

[PJOsborne]

Update: I have the AAR completed in an email-able file. I can send it as either a Zip file (9.05Mb) or as a Miliki supercompressed file (1.69Mb - you will need to get the free decoder for it to work).

 

[HItorMiss]

Patrick I would love copy Email to follow in PM

 

[PJOsborne]

Emails are on the way.

 

[medaid]

looking fwd to it Patrick O.

 

[PhilB]

pm sent.

 

[dan005e]

Now, just as a confirmation, with this drop-leg system and the corresponding panels; is the MOLLE panel or Dual Mag pouches capable of being attached to a side panel on the TV in lieu of say the water bottle carrier?

Maybe my concerns are unfounded but it sounds like having 4 mags or whatever strapped to your leg would make running, going into the kneeling position; fairly uncomfortable.

 

[PJOsborne]

I'm not sure myself, and the AAR doesn't go into detail, but if you were to look at the M203 panel on the first page, It would seem that CTS is continuing their proprietary and cumbersome modular attachment system. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if their verson of a drop leg panel turns out to have the same BS attachment method on it.

What I do know is that the buy and try does seem to be evaluating both the CTS type of drop leg as well as a PALS-based alternative from off-the-shelf manufacturers.

 

[Garett]

LCol Lavoie made a comment on Wed in Gagetown at his presentation about wanting a dropleg mag pouch since guys always have their rifle but don't always have their vest on.  He also said the Tacvest was good, but that you just can't always access the mag pouches in the prone 

 

[KevinB]

The only use for a Drop Leg setup is IMHO a 2 mag pouch for walking around a FOB. 
IF you dont run it up high - the weight become a drag chute and greatly adds to fatigue -- if it runs high -- it is hard to acess with armour on.

 

[Matt_Fisher]

LCol Lavoie made a comment on Wed in Gagetown at his presentation about wanting a dropleg mag pouch since guys always have their rifle but don't always have their vest on.  He also said the Tacvest was good, but that you just can't always access the mag pouches in the prone 

For something that meets those requirements, you're probably better off with something like a buttstock mag pouch.

 

[Bomber]

Now, just as a confirmation, with this drop-leg system and the corresponding panels; is the MOLLE panel or Dual Mag pouches capable of being attached to a side panel on the TV in lieu of say the water bottle carrier?

Maybe my concerns are unfounded but it sounds like having 4 mags or whatever strapped to your leg would make running, going into the kneeling position; fairly uncomfortable.

The platform has the same chunk of "hook and loop" on it as the TV, there is a "molle like" panel that attaches to this (and also on to your TV) that can then have the Molle style attachment system used.  So, if you wanted, you could pop your mag pouches on to your TV, in place of the canteen or C9 pouch.  And with a bit of effort, you could probably put any other Molle attached piece of kit on it.