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Premier Ford To Use "Notwithstanding" Against Education Staff- split fromFreedom Convoy Protests

Teachers get "paid", the janitor staff work (Dad was a high school janitor) to deep clean areas that are normally in use, plus their holidays, and pretty much everyone else are laid off and have to go through that EI bullshit.

Which means technically you're supposed to be looking for work, and they have played hard ball with folks traveling before as they "weren't looking."
Yup, I've been there. Worked my ass off for 8 months, was only able to get some occasional work as things slowed down, and then took xmas off and got hassled for it.

Entire industries are set up to depend on EI for 'off season', just didn't know the support workers at schools are one of them. I know some of them work through the summer for normal maintenance, but didn't realize the in class ones were laid off.
 
Teachers get "paid", the janitor staff work (Dad was a high school janitor) to deep clean areas that are normally in use, plus their holidays, and pretty much everyone else are laid off and have to go through that EI bullshit.

Which means technically you're supposed to be looking for work, and they have played hard ball with folks traveling before as they "weren't looking".

EDIT: this is Ontario I'm discussing, I have no idea on other Provinces.

Are you sure this is still the case ? I know in NS, the janitorial staff continue to work through the summer. Waxing floors, deep cleaning and fixing what they can.
 
Are you sure this is still the case ? I know in NS, the janitorial staff continue to work through the summer. Waxing floors, deep cleaning and fixing what they can.
I think uou may have read what I wrote wrong, or I wrote it wrong......yes, janitor staff still work.

And Brihard, I'll split this later today when I fire up the computer . If I tried on my phone we'd all lose....😀
 
My - uneducated - impression was that after-hours school custodians are assigned a certain amount of square feet per worker, per shift. Depending on the condition of the school.

So, if you are a fast worker, you can get it done early, and basically relax after that. If you had a partner, one could - unofficially - disappear, I suppose. Just don't get caught.
 
I think uou may have read what I wrote wrong, or I wrote it wrong......yes, janitor staff still work.

And Brihard, I'll split this later today when I fire up the computer . If I tried on my phone we'd all lose....😀

Apologies. Mea culpa.
 
Ontario thread split:

Fresh off the press
What Ottawa should say to the provinces: See your notwithstanding clause, raise you disallowance

Should Ottawa dust off an "ancient" weapon? Would Trudeau break yet another constitutional taboo?

Ontario and Quebec would screech. In my opinion, rightly so.

I reckon we are in the middle of a constitutional crisis, and there is no happy ending. Both disallowance and NWC are nuclear options that probably ought not to be normalized but it seems at least one is poised to be so.
 
My - uneducated - impression was that after-hours school custodians are assigned a certain amount of square feet per worker, per shift. Depending on the condition of the school.

So, if you are a fast worker, you can get it done early, and basically relax after that. If you had a partner, one could - unofficially - disappear, I suppose. Just don't get caught.

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Split the topic....if I missed anything let me know.
Bruce
 
EI and layoffs? I suppose there must be some technicality afoot - they aren't considered to be salaried, or something.

Feds ought to tighten up EI rules and stop the wage subsidy gaming that goes on with seasonal and other atypical employment patterns.
 
Most, possibly all, public service jobs should not have the right to strike. It was a mistake to grant it. What's missing are prices (revenues and costs), which are required to correctly calibrate incentives. The employers are never really constrained by revenues, and their incentives are mainly to acquiesce and kick the funding problem to someone else.
Generally PSAC does strategic striking, meaning they select employees in critical positions that blocks work flow, so you have a large staff getting paid by government unable to do their work. Particularly effective if support to the Ministers office is selected for striking.
 
EI and layoffs? I suppose there must be some technicality afoot - they aren't considered to be salaried, or something.

Feds ought to tighten up EI rules and stop the wage subsidy gaming that goes on with seasonal and other atypical employment patterns.
Nova Scotia enters the chat.
 
This post is not about support staff. It is a vent. The support staff are getting shafted by the union and the teacher side. They are going to wear the price from taxpayers and parents. A shame. They are workers I speak of. Not the face of education like the teachers or their union. I don't care what happens to the teachers. I hope they get fined ($5,000/day) and fired. I don't care about the richest union in the country. They can take their fine ($500,000/day). Ford offered them a good package, but these greedy pricks turned it down and forced the governments hand. They get 11 sick days @ 100% and another 120 at 90%. They work a measly 190 days a year and many of them are on the sunshine list. Lots of other workers, whose children attend these schools do 6 days a week, 50 weeks a year for sometimes a third or half of that. Then give up 43% of it to tax to help pay for these teachers with their much higher wage and short work year. I really, really hope the union creates a tipping point to where parents, students and taxpayers finally revolt against their largesse and social engineering. They are making no friends among parents and taxpayers. Contrary to the bleating and angst being performed by the opposition and the rhetoric of the unions and support from the legacy media. They are not gaining support because parents are tired of their children being hurt and indoctrinated. I feel sorry for the maintenance and support staff who will have to wear this because of a domineering union, teacher greed and agendas.

What I do care about in this discussion is the kids. Something that has been lost in all the rhetoric. They are who should be discussed. Not the nose tweaking the union is trying to give the citizens of this province. I care about the kids being treated as pawns, damaging their social learning and norms. I worry the education system spends more time gender bending than teaching the curriculum of basic math, reading and writing. Our children have already been mentally damaged beyond possible repair. They have the lowest scores in decades and they are being used as pawns by a rich, powerful union that doesn't need the money or even cares about the students. Those are the ones we should be discussing. And the use of them by the union as a fire break to push their socialist agenda and poke Ford in the eye. It will be the kids that are the losers in this.

Legault in Quebec can use the Notwithstanding clause to suppress the English language and destroy religious freedom with it. He uses it to abrogate Charter Rights. I don't hear anybody here standing up against that use use of it, even though that is spectacularly worse than Ford saying "You won't damage the kids any further. You will show up and do your job."

If Ford can use it to counter a socialist kleptocracy, I say strap on those JATO bottles and let's go for a ride. I send my grandson to Montessori to keep him from the bent ideas of the public system. Grade 5 and he reads like a champ, writes cursive, does coding and robotics, and all those other things disappearing from public education.

In the end, the only thing that will come of this is a damaged generation who will be incapable of running our country on their own and support workers being mistaken, and wearing it, for the teachers and the union.

Next Tuesday I will be meeting with the local Conservative MPPs. Curriculum, this strike and 'other' activites going on in our school is the first thing on the agenda.
 
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Most, possibly all, public service jobs should not have the right to strike. It was a mistake to grant it. What's missing are prices (revenues and costs), which are required to correctly calibrate incentives. The employers are never really constrained by revenues, and their incentives are mainly to acquiesce and kick the funding problem to someone else.
I'm all for designating them essential workers, but that removes the unions power and they'll have none of it.
 
education system spends more time gender bending than teaching the curriculum of basic math, reading and writing.

Policies from the mentally unstable left. The fight back against this indoctrination garbage is long overdue. Unfortunately this crap is bleeding into the CAF with non sense like signature pronouns, I for one will not stand or obey this crap.
 
Ontario thread split:

Fresh off the press
What Ottawa should say to the provinces: See your notwithstanding clause, raise you disallowance

Should Ottawa dust off an "ancient" weapon? Would Trudeau break yet another constitutional taboo?

Ontario and Quebec would screech. In my opinion, rightly so.

I reckon we are in the middle of a constitutional crisis, and there is no happy ending. Both disallowance and NWC are nuclear options that probably ought not to be normalized but it seems at least one is poised to be so.
Disallowance would be quite the bludgeon to wield, and would make a provincial political crisis a federal one. It’s a legitimate and plausible option, but would set off loud alarm bells in Quebec and Alberta. Trudeau may be content to let Ford stoke the dumpster fire.
 
Nova Scotia enters the chat.
As does any region that relies on fisheries, forestry and anything else that is seasonal. I wonder what the folks that lay asphalt or drive winter road maintenance equipment do off-season. The only reason agriculture escapes a lot of it is we've off-shored the labour.
Disallowance would be quite the bludgeon to wield, and would make a provincial political crisis a federal one. It’s a legitimate and plausible option, but would set off loud alarm bells in Quebec and Alberta. Trudeau may be content to let Ford stoke the dumpster fire.
Ya, if the NWC was always viewed as the 'nuclear option', disallowance would likely lead to constitutional MAD. Section 33 was pushed by premiers, primarily from the west, who wanted to limit the interference in the democratic process by the unelected judiciary. It was added during the (in)famous 'kitchen conference' or, from Quebec's perspective, the 'night of the long knives'. It seems everybody hoped its mere presence would be enough and it would never be used. Well, here we are - again.
 
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