Promotions in the CAF [Merged]

[orange.paint]

Armoured aint bad right now.
Air defence is apparently not good right now,a freeze on promotions from a bird gunner I was on course with.

 

[aesop081]

Heck, that IS pretty fast!  And you drop down to Cpl Base, with no Spec at first do you  not??

Correct...you do not get into the specialist pay group until  the start of your wings course.  With the policy that came into effect in 2004 that is.

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Spec 2 isn't it?? 

 

[aesop081]

Spec 2 isn't it?? 

hahaha.......i wish !!

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Oh.  That must only be the mutli-engine FEs then or something??

Not to take the thread ABSOLUTELY off target  :

 

[aesop081]

Oh.  That must only be the mutli-engine FEs then or something??

FE in general....not just multi guys........

 

[17thRecceSgt]

I think the general perception is that the Cmbt Arms trades promote the fastest, in particular the Infantry Corps, but I think some of the Navy trades are now promoting fast as well...if a trade is short, and they are offering bonus's to get people in, maybe those trades are the ones that are fast-movers? 

Any trade flagged Red would be you would think.

 

[jc5778]

Ammo Tech is 2 years in rank for some.  We are so short right now it's not even funny.  There is someone I know that I suspect will be a Sgt with only 4 years in the trade.  This isn't the case for all of us but .......

 

[17thRecceSgt]

uhhhhh, whats your MOSID again?  I am going to email me recruiter  ;D

Like I said, the perception is Cmbt Arms is the fastest but...

 

[Arctic Acorn]

Not too sound like too much of an egghead, but I believe the Service can expect an increase in the promotion rate across all trades, mainly due to the huge recruiting drive in recent years. Also, with the numbers of baby boomers retiring, that should open up the upper ranks for promotions.
:dontpanic:

 

[Patrolman]

With thhe creation of CSOR and the proposed Airborne Unit in Trenton I suspect Infantry promotions will be coming fast and furuios.

 

[Armymedic]

With thhe creation of CSOR and the proposed Airborne Unit in Trenton I suspect Infantry promotions will be coming fast and furuios.

And infantry solely fill positions in those units?  :

Given that the majority of the positions (of ALL trades involved) are Sgt and below and still within trade, I can't see many promotions opening up

 

[orange.paint]

And infantry solely fill positions in those units?  :

Given that the majority of the positions (of ALL trades involved) are Sgt and below and still within trade, I can't see many promotions opening up

I disagree.I only know 2 armoured guys TRYING out,meaning they havnt even made it over yet.Although I cannot offer excact numbers im willing to be at least 80 percent is from the infantry.

2RCR had a big drive for it didnt they patrolman?

 

[17thRecceSgt]

And infantry solely fill positions in those units?  :

Given that the majority of the positions (of ALL trades involved) are Sgt and below and still within trade, I can't see many promotions opening up

But...some folks are gonna have to fill the units up that they come from...which means movement and promotions in the loosing units...doesn't it??

 

[Patrolman]

I did not mean only infantry units would see an increase however, lets be realistic infantry will make up most of CSOR the same way they make up the majority of the assaulters in the JTF.
Based on info fron the RCR career manager 3RCR is below 200 pers right based on the fact they lost so many members to CSOR.

 

[Armymedic]

I disagree.I only know 2 armoured guys TRYING out,meaning they havnt even made it over yet.Although I cannot offer excact numbers im willing to be at least 80 percent is from the infantry.

That would be 2 you know about. How about the other 3 armour regts? From the capbadges I have seen, I would say more like just over 50% is infantry. Do not forget you have 4 other cbt arms (Arty, Air defence, Eng and Armour). Lets not forget the close CSS types like sigs, medics and then throw in those guys who are not at all army. Plus reservists from all trades.

I did not mean only infantry units would see an increase however, lets be realistic infantry will make up most of CSOR the same way they make up the majority of the assaulters in the JTF.
Based on info fron the RCR career manager 3RCR is below 200 pers right based on the fact they lost so many members to CSOR.

You would be corrrect to say that majority would be infantry, from all three regiments (9 battalions) and add in the reserves. 3 RCR has only lost 50-75 to CSOR. I think your career manager is missing the fact that the biggest drain on manpower in the infantry is releases, particularly at the Pte/Cpl Level.

 

[armybuck041]

Well i'm not gonna speculate on which MOC promotes the fastest, what I will say is that there is two catagories to consider...

There are the MOC's that promote almost entirely on personal technical ability, and

There are the MOC's that promote on the basis of leadership potential as well as MOC specific tech ability.

Some of the MOC 640 series guys I work with get promoted with a "developing" leadership potential scored PER, but have all of their ticks on the appropriate boxes WRT courses. I have seen MCpl's and Sgt's in the tech trades who couldn't lead their way out of a wet paper bag, but were brilliant at the specifics of their work.

It almost makes me wish we had some different rank emblems that denoted a "normal" MCpl or Sgt and a different one for a Tech MCpl or Sgt kinda like the US did years ago. This is so people don't confuse a combat leader with a technician.

This isn't meant to be a dig at the tech/spec guys, just my take on how I view things lately.

 

[Michael OLeary]

It almost makes me wish we had some different rank emblems that denoted a MCpl or Sgt and a different one for a Tech MCpl or Sgt kinda like the US did years ago. This is so people don't confuse a combat leader with a technician.

Like a cap badge denoting trade?

What about an ex-Infantry Sergeant who remusters to a tech trade, how would you like to label him?

This sounds like a desire to create "second class citizens" among NCO ranks.  Of course, the viewpoint might be entirely reversed in a tech environment .... "Him, oh he just got promoted because he likes to yell at people, you can tell by the lack of the "tech device" over his hooks."

 

[armybuck041]

Like a cap badge denoting trade?

What about an ex-Infantry Sergeant who remusters to a tech trade, how would you like to label him?

This sounds like a desire to create "second class citizens" among NCO ranks.  Of course, the viewpoint might be entirely reversed in a tech environment .... "Him, oh he just got promoted because he likes to yell at people, you can tell by the lack of the "tech device" over his hooks."

When its gonna count, he/she will most likely have a helmet on and not a baret

Its not about labelling people as second class citizens and I didn't mean to come across that way.

I have worked with techs that almost felt that the leadership responsibilites that come with a promotion were almost a negative side-effect. Allot of these guys had no desire lead troops nor does allot of their MOC's require it. Some MOC's don't even start teaching man management skills until the 6B level. Its not dishonourable, its just a fact.

Like I said, its not a stab at anyone. The US has Warrant Officers for almost exactly this reason.

 

[Leonidio]

Thanks everyone,I bagged alot of information