Promotions in the CDN Forces

[MAJOR_Baker]

I read somewhere that a person claims to have been in the CDN Forces for 15yrs. Is it normal to have been in that long and still be a Corporal especially in the reserves? I have been lead to believe that a Master Corporal or more likely a SGT should be their rank. :warstory: Then again, I was thinking that maybe service in Cadets could be considered as service in the CDN Forces?

got this info:

We are a community-based youth program that offers interesting and challenging activities, teaches valuable life skills and provides opportunities to travel across Canada and around the world.

Young Canadians between the ages 12 to 18 are given opportunities to fly small aircraft, sail, rock-climb, participate in music and sporting competitions.

 

[mattoigta]

There are more prerequisites than just having time in. IE certain qualifications

 

[combat_medic]

1. Yes, it‘s entirely possible to be a corporal with 15 years in. I know one guy with 30+ years of service who‘s a corporal. Some people, especially in the reserves aren‘t able to take the time off to do the leadership training (no job protection legislation in Canada), and end up as Corporals for Life, aka CFLs.

2. Being a cadet is not the same as serving in the Canadian Forces. Cadets are a separate organization, who, while affiliated with the CF, are not part of it.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Cadets are children and its funny seeing a cadet MWO thinking he can boss a reg or reserve cpl around because he is under the assumption he is of superior rank.

 

[dano]

In regards to Ex-dragoons comment, I think that is one of the most selfish things to say about the cadet corp. Though technicly some cadets are children does not induce that "Cadets are children" and will be treated as such. For that is what you are implying. I‘m grossly effended, Theres guys out there that think there gangsters and think its cool to fight; they ruin there lives, hurt or break the family and if they manage to start up, chances are they are going to be working a crap job with crap pay. So you don‘t tell us that these cadets who volunteer, work, train, have fun, create good character, gain self asteem, make there family proud, and most importently learn; this is on there free time, to be classified as children; so if you still think cadets are children which leads them to be immature, then you must not have been in cadets.

 

[Ruthless4Life]

In regards to Ex-dragoons comment, I think that is one of the most selfish things to say about the cadet corp. Though technicly some cadets are children does not induce that "Cadets are children" and will be treated as such. For that is what you are implying. I‘m grossly effended, Theres guys out there that think there gangsters and think its cool to fight; they ruin there lives, hurt or break the family and if they manage to start up, chances are they are going to be working a crap job with crap pay. So you don‘t tell us that these cadets who volunteer, work, train, have fun, create good character, gain self asteem, make there family proud, and most importently learn; this is on there free time, to be classified as children; so if you still think cadets are children which leads them to be immature, then you must not have been in cadets.

He said nothing wrong about cadets being children. If they are not, but I don‘t know what they are. Perhaps soldiers?!

I‘ve been in cadets and seen things myself.

 

[dano]

You see, he did not directly infer theres something wrong with cadets. I find it to be effending, regardless of what someone may refer. There will be people who agree and disagree.

 

[combat_medic]

so if you still think cadets are children which leads them to be immature, then you must not have been in cadets

I‘ve worked with cadets on several occasions, and find the vast majority to be incredibly immature. I can‘t tell you how many times a cadet has attempted to pull rank on me. Yes, there are a few who take it seriously and are vaguely mature, but you can‘t deny that you and ALL the other cadets are CHILDREN!

Despite any maturity you may have, or lack, you are still a child in the eyes of the law, and the eyes of the people on this forum. If you find the fact that you‘re children offensive, then wait until you‘re not a minor anymore. It won‘t be as offensive then.

 

[chriscalow]

I saw a cdt mcpl trying to tell an RCR mcpl that they were the same rank and that he couldn‘t give him orders. The result of that made my summer worth going. HAHA!!!

 

[PTE Gruending]

Wow, thats hilarious - cadets attempting to pull rank on CF members. I would love to hear some anecdotes about this! Anyone have any interesting stories about what you said/did to the offending cadet member?
thx

 

[Coniar]

But i know reserve members the same age as cadet members... there all in my high school... so if you 16 and in the reserves your a soldier but if you 16 and in cadets your immature?

 

[Jarnhamar]

If your 16 and in the reserves your a soldier. If your 16 and in the cadets your not a soldier.
Theres still plenty of immature people in the reserves but they still have more required of them. I would go so far to say that some of the 16 and 17 year old reservsts are children. As for Cadets trying to pull rank, thats just them being stupid and not knowing any better. I personally was almost charged with assault for dragging a cadet SGT Major out of the TV room in the transient quarters in petawawa because the 17 or 18 year old ‘kid‘ was trying to pick a fight with one of the jtf guys there who wouldnt give him the remote. Whos fault? Well his for being an idiot, darwin for not catching up with him sooner and the cadet corps for letting someone with that mentality slip through the ranks.

Dano even if i don‘t agree with you good on you for standing up for your own opinion even if it isn‘t in line with everyone elses AND not being ignorant about it.

 

[mattoigta]

I was in cadets a couple years ago and the cadets I see nowadays are pathetic. We were on a Change of Command parade and there was a cadet guard, the majority of the cadets couldnt even wear combats properly, strings down to their knees, horribly out of shape, terrible drill. And I KNOW anything remotely close to combat training is banned - what do they spend all their time doing?

 

[Ruthless4Life]

Here‘s the difference...

Cadet - youth organization

Military - National Defense

 

[Coniar]

Ghost my point was that you can put the same 16 yr old "kid" in either orgonization and there still the same "kid".

I was in cadets for a few weeks awhile ago and quite honestly boy scouts might have been more engaging, but I have friends who love it. Eating IMP‘s after flash light tag isnt exactley my idea of fun or training. No offence meant to the cadet members here whatsoever, like I said I have friends in cadets, nothing wrong with the people there.

 

[Gryphon]

Cadets are children and its funny seeing a cadet MWO thinking he can boss a reg or reserve cpl around because he is under the assumption he is of superior rank.

I‘m sorry, but i don‘t find anything that could be remotly offensive by that remark. Cadets are children..

The difference between a 16 y.o. cadet and a 16 y.o. soldier is this: The 16 y.o. soldier is taught discipline (And don‘t tell me that cadets are taught the same discipline as soldiers), they are taught how to be self-sufficient, they are taught how to be a SOLDIER, not a wanna-be soldier [before i get flamed for that remark, wait, and let me explain after this paragraph], as well, they do not have a superiority complex that most 16 y.o. cadets have.

I say "wanna-be soldier" because that‘s what cadet‘s was made for... it was made for kids who couldn‘t be in the army, but wanted some sort of regimentation. as well, it was made so that kids liked the army, and therefore, when old enough, would join the army.

As for an anecdote: I was in the armoury, and being a non-qualified private at the time, i still had the ODGreen combats on... anyways... i was getting something from my locker, when some Cadet Sgt came up to me and started ordering me to bring a **** load of chairs to the parade square. I told him politely to go suck an egg, then he started to ream me out. One of my MCpls saw this and told the Sgt to sod off... that‘s my anecdote

 

[fusilier955]

i got one, my cousin with 1RCR was in the junior ranks mess when a cadet CWO comes over and starts bitching at him. the little twirp wanted him to come to attention and call him "sir". he just stood there smirking and told the little brat to go play soldier in the corner with the rest of the good little cadets. kids are so dumb.

 

[chriscalow]

As a cadet I can tell you that cadets is gay. But there are some of us that are not just kids. We are by no means soldiers, but there are a few of us who for one reason or another stayed in the program, mostly because it looks good on resume‘s. But yes, the vast majority of cadets are useless little plugs who think that cadets is going to show them what its going to be like in the CF.

 

[dano]

Perhapes then,you would like to enlighten us on another youth volunteer military organization that does teach us what its like to be in the CF?

 

[MikeM]

Qy Rang cadet, I agree 100% with you on that. The vast majority of cadets are useless plugs, but there are some of us who actually have our heads screwed on correctly. I myself have decided to stay in until the end of this coming summer after I get my jump wings before applying for the Regs. I stuck it out in hopes things would get better, but cadets have gone WAY downhill over a long time, the last 15 years especially.

Keep the stories coming, I love hearing them, when i think of a couple good ones I‘ll share them. I remember on my cadet patrolling course I had a MCPL assault pioneer as my platoon advisor, and a CIC officer decided that what the Mcpl was teaching wasn‘t "correct" by his standards, so we had a CIC officer telling an assault pioneer Reg Force Master Corporal the "proper" way to do a patrol.

Needless to say, the CIC officer ended up walking away a little droopy headed, after the Mcpl laughed and turned around to continue teaching the class. We all had a good laugh after that one.

Thats one of my better stories, and I know how you guys feel about the CIC.. hehe.