Promotions in the CDN Forces

[combat_medic]

A while back, I was working in a cadet camp MIR. Now, when I‘m working in a medical capacity, I‘m pretty easy going. When you‘re sick or broken, the last thing you need is a snarky medic, right? So, I told one of the staff cadets to go wait in the waiting room until it was his turn to be seen. He (some Sgt) said to me "what did you say to me, PRIVATE?" I whipped around and yelled at him "Excuse me, CADET, but if you don‘t turn around and get your *** into the waiting room, I‘ll make sure you‘re marched out of here by your staff officers, taken before the CO and charged, capiche?"

He kind of shut up after that.

 

[leader]

Dano, cadets is not a "youth volunteer military organization " as you put it. One of the aims is to develop an interest in the CF. It doesn‘t teach us what it‘s like to be in CF.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Cadets aren‘t really being given a fair chance though. Their learning about the military, that doesnt mean that all of them are actually interested in the military or are pretending to be soldiers.
MikeM i have to ask, if you feel the vast majority of cadets are useless plugs does that mean you failed as a leader to teach them properly or are they just that far beyond redemption?

While you can‘t hold them to the same standards i‘m willing to bet a lot of these kid cadets have spent more time in the woods than first and second year privates. Not to mention teaching classes and drill.

 

[dano]

Leader, thank you for noticing my mistake. But what I ment to emply is Military related/structured/develope intrest organization.

 

[Pte. Bloggins]

I know this is kinda off topic but do Cadets get paid? Cause if they don‘t, especially the 16 and 17 yr olds, why don‘t they just join the reserve?

 

[combat_medic]

Cadets don‘t get paid, it‘s entirely voluntary. The exception to this is when you go away for the summer. If you‘re taking a course, you get paid a small amount (something like $20 a week, the cadets can correct me on this one). If you‘re a staff cadet, you earn a salary which is slightly lower than what a basic private would make.

As to why they stay, some don‘t want to join the army at all. Others stay so that they can do things like flight school, basic para, exchanges and such programs that are only offered to senior cadets. Some just want to stay in until they age out, some like the responsibility of having a higher rank, and don‘t want to go back to being at the bottom of the totem pole again. Everyone‘s reason for staying is different.

 

[Rafe]

Do you have to follow orders that a cadet gives? I am not exposed to cadets in our Regiment so i dont know about them. So do we have to comply with their rank even though they arn‘t apart of the CF? :soldier:

 

[combat_medic]

Cadets have about as much authority as boy scouts do. Other cadets are supposed to listen to them, but they have ABSOLUTELY NO authority within the CF. Many of them try to boss around CF members, but it usually earns them a kick in the head. It‘s very funny to watch though.

 

[Spartan]

Reasons why I have stayed in the cadet programme?
to develop leadership, good citizenship and overall good things to the "twirpy"
12-14 yr olds...
heck even the older mouthier ones to.

through the program i‘ve seen both good and bad...and people improve in terms of their attitude if given proper teachings in it...*just like any other organization out there* you also have the people who don‘t want to be there... people who lack maturity etc etc... Its up to the cadet leaders to fit their title of leaders and do their jobs well.

very early on, I know I was taught ( and everyone else for that matter)
that cadets is not part of the military...only associated with it...

if I ever saw any cadet try to give orders to Reserve or Reg force personnel.... after that Reserve/Reg force person finished reeming them out...
I‘d reem them out mighty good.... and for sure that cadet deserves a swift kick *i say this because we can‘t hit them* because that is absolutely retarded... **** if I saw that on even a brand new Pte Recruit. someone who just got their papers in and checking out the local military unit.. I‘d give the Pte full permission to reem the **** out of that cadet...


Now i know we all have seen the tool cadets and people who shouldn‘t be there... but there are ones there who *like any other organisation including the military* work their asses of in order to put in 110% all the time....

 

[dano]

Can CF members give orders to individual cadets? For example CF-Pvt tells C/Cpl to help clean up the armories or anything like that?

 

[combat_medic]

Dano: That one is a little more cryptic. Just as a CIC officer can‘t order around random CF members, random CF members can‘t order around cadets.

However, if the CF member has been given authority or jurisdiction within that particular unit, such as when I was tasked to teach C7 handling to cadets, then yes, they can give orders, and can expect those orders to be followed.

So the answer is; normally no, but sometimes yes.

 

[Highland Lad]

I‘ll second combat_medic on this one. Cadets are associated with the forces, but are civilians (and usually underage civilians at that!). A CF member has as much authority over them as they would over any other underage civilian - practically none except under special circumstances.

(Those circumstances may include being the armoury duty NCO - if a cadet is ordered to pick up trash as part of a clean-up effort that they have been assigned to by their regular authority, they can choose not to listen - they can also choose not to stay in cadets. Same goes if a duty NCO or duty Officer tells a cadet to correct something - uniform, behaviour, or other - if that behaviour falls under their duty, the cadet has the same choice.)

Discipline of cadets by CF members, though, is another story... unless that CF member has been specifically placed in a position of assigned authority, their only real options of discipline are as follows:

1. Remove the cadet from the area (if it is off-limits)

2. Report the incident to the appropriate authorities (usually the cadet corps‘ officers or (if on DND property) the commissionnaire, who usually has an elevated status in most cadets‘ eyes)

 

[Gibson]

I‘m surprised to learn about cadets pulling rank on Regs and Reservists. I was in cadets for 7 years and left as a Flight Sergeant with the Air Cadets. If a supply Cpl at Borden bitched me out for not folding a tent correctly I stood at attention and got bitched out and replied "Yes, Corporal" A dilemma for me was what to say when a Private was pissed off. The first thing I taught my cadets was that our ranks were for cadets only, hence the "Cadet" on the epaulette.

I have no idea about Army Cadets ‘cause there wasn‘t a unit by my house, only Air so that‘s what I joined. I don‘t know anything about the other branches but Air Cadets provides a FANTASTIC program for youth in a variety of ways. People didn‘t join to play soldier because it was Air Cadets, they joined to learn leadership, citizenship, and even get their pilots licence. Right now I‘m a Glider Pilot Infanteer. Some parents forced their kids into it for discipline but that never works ‘cause the program really can‘t deliver to those expectations and they usually leave, or find another reason for staying.

Originally the Air Cadets was formed to supplement the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan so that youth could learn all the basics early to supplement their training for war. Obviously it has changed its role to purely a youth organization, but a very good one at that.

As for immature people, there always will be those, especially with teenagers. I‘ve seen senior cadets that in my squadron would have never even been promoted. Powertripping Cadets are one of my biggest pet peeves! Especially when I was a cadet. It‘s a shame though, because there are a number of hard-working 17 and 18 year olds in the program who seriously want to get positive things out of the system and have a clear idea of exactly where their place is in the CF hierarchy.

 

[nULL]

i always thought cadets were almost like "the next level" after boy scouts. i was a scout, a looooong time ago

best time of my life was being an 11 year old scout, and going down to the local armoury, and getting to handle the weapons. the real-soldier guys didn‘t like us pointing the rifles at each other, or pulling back the breech (?) on the handguns...apparently the fingers on 11 year old boys can get crushed pretty easily.

EDIT: they didn‘t mind if we pointed the rocket launchers at the trucks full of other scouts though...

then this other time, we got to go to the naval base CFB Esquimalt. we got tours of the destroyers and stuff, though the best thing was getting packed into a speedboat (there‘s a name for the type...kind of 2 pointy bits on the back?) and getting rides out on the ocean. ahh, good times.

pity scouts never got to do that all the time. usually it was just lame stuff, we almost never went hiking or camping enough.

anyways, am i right? IS it the next level after scouts? i mean, you have the ceremony, the berets, the irritating spaz-out guys....what else does cadets offer?

 

[Da_man]

i used to be a cadet to... I joined when i was 15, stuck with 12 yrs old level 1. I thought we were going to do "army stuff" but it turned out all we did was learning what to do if theres a fire.

 

[Jarnhamar]

So what happens when your in the army and all of a sudden the vehicle your driving in, tent your sleeping in or building your living in catches fire?

 

[Da_man]

yeah but we dont have to learn it 10 times

 

[Jarnhamar]

People forget things easily so you have to beat it into their brain. I know where your comming from though.
Cadets has the ability to be a top notch program for kids and young adults. They need to weed out a lot of the problems in it‘s structure though.

 

[D-n-A]

with the cadets, if the unit has good CICs running it, then yes, it can be a great organization


one of the cadet unit‘s I‘ve seen, has "leniant" CICs, an let their cadets wear american uniforms, have long hair, etc, etc

an yea, some cadets do think they can order around CF members, it‘s either that, or cadet‘s think we‘re all officer‘s an call us "sir" or "ma‘am"


the worst thing I‘ve heard a cadet do was

at Vernon Summer Camp, a few years back, one cadet was talking trash about PPCLI to another cadet, an there was two PPCLI Cpls within hearing range of this... This of course didnt go well with the two PPCLI Cpls...

 

[Spr.Earl]

We all know in the Militia it‘s given once you pass you‘r course you get promoted not because of merit which it should be it‘s just to keep you in!!

At least in the Reg.‘s it‘s still the same!!!
Thank God!!!

The only reason I have stayed a M/Cpl in the Engineer‘s for the last 27yrs. is because I still like operating Heavy Equipment and still get hand‘s on with Boom Boom‘s! :blotto:
And do my job bulidng bridge‘s,road‘s and helping the C.E. type‘s Etc.Every thing a Hengineer does.
Also I hate the Polotic‘s that come‘s with Rank!!!

Nothing like doing your calc.‘s and seeing the end result,did it work or not?
Nothing like demolition‘s Guy‘s.