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My apologies for the double post, it appears the threads were split just as I was posting. I believe my post fits better in this thread:
But each element IS quite different, the function of each base is to support operations within that environment, organizational identity and culture play a large role in that. I do not know of one civilian organization in the real world that has 6 different cultures for an employee to adopt. Not only this, but one of the main reasons why civilian employees are not hired or end up quiting is that they do not fit within an organizations culture.
Now, I completely agree with the fact that this should not mean 'somehow people can't move to another environment and work there.' If additional surge capacity or support is required there should be the ability to move people of equivalent training to a new environment and for them to learn the new environment and how it works. However, this should not be the norm, the majority of this person's career should be spent within their environment, and at the end of the day, this person should be able to say 'I am a Sailor, I am in the (Royal) Canadian Navy, and my role is to support the (Royal) Canadian Navy within the CF. As a Sailor, I am able to defend a ship or naval establishment, be part of a damage control team, be part of a fire fighting team, and perform general shipboard duties required of all Sailors (ie coming alongside etc.)' or something to that effect.
Here Here to that. I completely feel the same sentiment. The benefits of a unified system can still be reaped while maintaining a strong sense of organizational culture and identity. Most major militaries around the world are moving towards this. However they are doing this gradually whereas the CF went a complete 360 (gutting the identity and culture of the former services in the process) and then is now slowly back-peddling to find a balanced medium. Though I've never served in the Royal Canadian Navy, I would certainly be proud to adopt the name and identity.
dapaterson said:To argue that "The Navy is so different" or "The Air Force is unique" is ridiculous. It's a base, emotive claim, as if somehow people can't move to antoher environoment and work there. Of course that's not true; in the real world people are often forced to move to new workplaces witrh radically different cultures. Only in the nanny-state of the military would we attempt to institutionalize fear of change and inflexibility and call them character traits to emulate.
But each element IS quite different, the function of each base is to support operations within that environment, organizational identity and culture play a large role in that. I do not know of one civilian organization in the real world that has 6 different cultures for an employee to adopt. Not only this, but one of the main reasons why civilian employees are not hired or end up quiting is that they do not fit within an organizations culture.
Now, I completely agree with the fact that this should not mean 'somehow people can't move to another environment and work there.' If additional surge capacity or support is required there should be the ability to move people of equivalent training to a new environment and for them to learn the new environment and how it works. However, this should not be the norm, the majority of this person's career should be spent within their environment, and at the end of the day, this person should be able to say 'I am a Sailor, I am in the (Royal) Canadian Navy, and my role is to support the (Royal) Canadian Navy within the CF. As a Sailor, I am able to defend a ship or naval establishment, be part of a damage control team, be part of a fire fighting team, and perform general shipboard duties required of all Sailors (ie coming alongside etc.)' or something to that effect.
Oldgateboatdriver said:So I say, let the trades people learn the unified processes and systems at schools that do not have any Navy/Army/Air Force bias but then let them chose their environment, absorb its culture and live within it. I am sure it would make Pusser and Halifax Tar happy.
As for the original question, while I can live with Canadian Navy, I would be proud to serve the Royal Canadian Navy again.
Here Here to that. I completely feel the same sentiment. The benefits of a unified system can still be reaped while maintaining a strong sense of organizational culture and identity. Most major militaries around the world are moving towards this. However they are doing this gradually whereas the CF went a complete 360 (gutting the identity and culture of the former services in the process) and then is now slowly back-peddling to find a balanced medium. Though I've never served in the Royal Canadian Navy, I would certainly be proud to adopt the name and identity.