QUESTION OF THE WEEK

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by Gunner:
[qb]

why did General Crerar get in trouble because of Dieppe‘s liberation?

Montgomery (pot calling the kettle black) criticizing Crerar for failing to exploit the success at Dieppe? [/qb]

Nope. But sort of in the ballpark.

I‘ll give you a hint. The drum corps of the Regimental Pipes and Drums of the Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada were involved, if only tangentially...

 

[Gunner]

Hmm, well the 2nd Division stopped to honour the dead from Dieppe in August 1942. I‘ve read two versions of events: first Crerar failed to exploit beyond Dieppe and used the ceremony as an excuse to snub Montgomery‘s demand to see him, and second Crerar snubbed a summons by Montgomery to come see him in order to pay tribute to the fallen Canadians from 1942. Granatstein seems to favour the latter.

Crerar also ran into trouble later in the Fall when he came into conflict with his subordinate, a British Corps Comd, who was under command of the 1st Canadian Army...am I off track?

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Nope, ya got it. The 2nd Div had a victory parade on 3 Sep 44, the whole Div marched through Dieppe. The massed pipes and drums of the Division played (hence my red herring - must have been a **** emotional parade to be on!), and Montgomery was pissed when Crerar skipped a conference to attend the ceremony to honour the fallen.

You may be right about the lack of exploitation (though I thought the Canadians got bogged down trying to take the coastal fortresses after that - Calais, Cap Griz Nez, Dunkirk and really couldn‘t exploit if they wanted to) though I wasn‘t thinking about that.

It is very odd to think that many German-held French ports were converted into fortresses, and didn‘t surrender until May 1945.

Maybe that‘s a good trivia question - which ports in the Canadian rear remained masked until May 1945?

 

[Spr.Earl]

On D.day the Canadian Corps. made the most advance than any of the Allies.
My question is who were these two Unit‘s that made that advance?

 

[Gunner]

It is very odd to think that many German-held French ports were converted into fortresses, and didn‘t surrender until May 1945.

Hmm, French ports? I know of Dunkirk which was surrounded from Sep 44 until surrender on 9 May 45. The commander (Vice Admiral Frisius) was pretty fiesty considering he launched a serious raid in Apr 45 against the Czechoslovakian Armoured Brigade conducting the containment.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by Spr.Earl:
[qb] On D.day the Canadian Corps. made the most advance than any of the Allies.
My question is who were these two Unit‘s that made that advance? [/qb]

No. 1 Field Company, Royal Canadian Engineers and
No. 2 Field Company, Royal Canadian Engineers.

Depending on who is telling the story, Spr. Earl...

 

[Spr.Earl]

Originally posted by Michael Dorosh:
[qb]

Originally posted by Spr.Earl:
[qb] On D.day the Canadian Corps. made the most advance than any of the Allies.
My question is who were these two Unit‘s that made that advance? [/qb]

No. 1 Field Company, Royal Canadian Engineers and
No. 2 Field Company, Royal Canadian Engineers.

Depending on who is telling the story, Spr. Earl... [/qb]

I thought it was Recce element‘s of the Royal Winnipeg Rifles and members of 6Fd.Co. R.C.E. who were attached to the Rifles.

Make‘s for a good discussion and research anyway.

 

[clasper]

Originally posted by Michael Dorosh:
[qb] Who liberated Dieppe?

2nd Canadian Division.

Naturally!
[/qb]

Actually, the Canadians were not first into Dieppe. On the night of 31 Aug/1 Sep, there was an RAF bombing raid planned to precede an attack from 2nd Cdn Div. At nightfall on the 31st, a few Royal Marines landed near the port, and upon noticing that the Germans had abandoned it, the Marines managed to call off the raid. (Apparently the Germans left in great haste upon hearing that Canadians with dark blue shoulder patches were on the way.) When the first armoured cars of the 8th Recce Regt entered Dieppe the morning of the 1st, they were welcomed by the Royal Marines standing out front of a cafe with glasses of beer in their hands.

Major General Foulkes then ordered the division to halt on the outskirts of town for two days, so they could rest and spruce up for the parade on the 3rd. It was their first rest in 53 days.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by clasper:
[qb]

Originally posted by Michael Dorosh:
[qb] Who liberated Dieppe?

2nd Canadian Division.

Naturally!
[/qb]

Actually, the Canadians were not first into Dieppe. On the night of 31 Aug/1 Sep, there was an RAF bombing raid planned to precede an attack from 2nd Cdn Div. At nightfall on the 31st, a few Royal Marines landed near the port, and upon noticing that the Germans had abandoned it, the Marines managed to call off the raid. (Apparently the Germans left in great haste upon hearing that Canadians with dark blue shoulder patches were on the way.) When the first armoured cars of the 8th Recce Regt entered Dieppe the morning of the 1st, they were welcomed by the Royal Marines standing out front of a cafe with glasses of beer in their hands.

Major General Foulkes then ordered the division to halt on the outskirts of town for two days, so they could rest and spruce up for the parade on the 3rd. It was their first rest in 53 days. [/qb]

So was the question "who were the first Allied troops in to Dieppe" - or "who liberated Dieppe"?

I suppose the Germans should get full credit for being smart enough to withdraw in the first place...

 

[stukirkpatrick]

~Snapshoot question :sniper:

Without checking on the web...

Who was Canada under threat of invasion from in the mid-nineteenth century?

 

[bossi]

The Fenians?

 

[stukirkpatrick]

...yes

for those who may not know (both of you)...

1841-1871

Canada organized permanent militia units and repelled raids by the American-based Fenian Brotherhood.

In 1855, Canada passed a Militia Act creating cavalry, infantry, and artillery units, made up of volunteer, part-time soldiers. Strained Anglo-American relations during the American Civil War (1861-65) led Britain to send 11,000 troops to protect its North American colonies.

Following the Civil War, the Fenian Brotherhood, largely composed of Irish-American veterans, sought to achieve Ireland's independence from Britain by capturing Canada as a hostage. Between 1866 and 1871, they raided Canadian territory from New Brunswick to Manitoba. During the largest raid, in June 1866 along the Niagara frontier, the Fenians defeated a small Canadian force at Ridgeway. The Fenians returned to the United States before Canadian and British reinforcements arrived. Every other Fenian raid ended in failure, and the movement collapsed after 1871.

This was an interesting time, because it was the creation of the modern militia we all know and love today.

-edit- information courtesy of www.warmuseum.ca

 

[Spr.Earl]

How many Haggis they have wolfed down.

 

[dannybou]

My first post. Glad to be here. My question is this:

Where did Canadian Army units mutiny after WW1 and how many casualties resulted?

 

[Danjanou]

Originally posted by Kirkpatrick:
[qb] ~Snapshoot question :sniper:

Without checking on the web...

Who was Canada under threat of invasion from in the mid-nineteenth century? [/qb]

Well the Fnians have already been noted there were also the remnants of the 1837 rebels in Upper and Lower Canada who fled to the US and then launched a series of raids into Lower Canada and alos in the Niagara region, and at Cornwall
(Battle of the Windmill)

 

[stukirkpatrick]

Very true. Too bad there isn‘t as much info from those skirmishes as there is for the War of 1812, and other, more well known battles.

 

[redcoat7121]

Originally posted by Dano:
[qb] FALSE. [/qb]

FALSE

 

[Spr.Earl]

Originally posted by dannybou:
[qb] My first post. Glad to be here. My question is this:

Where did Canadian Army units mutiny after WW1 and how many casualties resulted? [/qb]

In Northern Wales,I forget the name of the Camp or how many were killed.

The Troops got peed off about the delays in repatriation as Liverpool was not to far away. They revolted and if I remember right they got into the Armoury and got a hold of weapons.
But after the revolt was quelled repatriation was quickened.
This is also a little known event in our Military History.

 

[logau]

Originally posted by Spr.Earl:
[qb]

Originally posted by dannybou:
[qb] My first post. Glad to be here. My question is this:

Where did Canadian Army units mutiny after WW1 and how many casualties resulted? [/qb]

In Northern Wales,I forget the name of the Camp or how many were killed.[/qb]

Not many - it happened in WALES at KINMEL PARK 4 Mar 1919 - 5 drunken idiots killed

see it here at www.bbc.co.uk/education/beyond/factsheets/makhist/makhist5_prog3b.shtml

Another puzzle solved for our Loyal Readers by the Army.ca History Chief of Staff

 

[Spr.Earl]

Merci buckets Mon Sewer.
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