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Question on making political comments

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I'm a political science student and I am expected to participate in discussions/debates and go to seminars on a wide range of political issues. I'm just wondering if there are any rules I must follow since I'm in the CF on making political comments in public.
 
- Dont do it in unform  ;)

There are zero restrictions (other than OPSEC). 

IF your commenting on issues as a solider (i.e. in uniform as a solider) stick in your lane about topics you have experience on.  The so called "stay in your lane/arcs".
 
KevinB said:
- Dont do it in unform   ;)

A great opening line, Kevin.

KevinB said:
There are zero restrictions (other than OPSEC).  

IF your commenting on issues as a solider (i.e. in uniform as a solider) stick in your lane about topics you have experience on.   The so called "stay in your lane/arcs".

Two relevant extracts from QR&O

19.14 â “ IMPROPER COMMENTS

(1) No officer or non-commissioned member shall make remarks or pass criticism tending to bring a superior into contempt, except as may be necessary for the proper presentation of a grievance under Chapter 7 (Grievances). (15 June 2000)
   
(2) No officer or non-commissioned member shall do or say anything that:
   
  (a) if seen or heard by any member of the public, might reflect discredit on the Canadian Forces or on any of its members; or
     
  (b) if seen by, heard by or reported to those under him, might discourage them or render them dissatisfied with their condition or the duties on which they are employed.


and


19.36 â “ DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION OR OPINION

  (1) For the purposes of this article, the adjective "military" shall be construed as relating not only to the Canadian Forces but also to the armed forces of any country.
 
(2) Subject to article 19.375 (Communications to News Agencies), no officer or non-commissioned member shall without permission obtained under article 19.37 (Permission to Communicate Information):
   
  (a) publish in any form whatever or communicate directly or indirectly or otherwise disclose to an unauthorized person official information or the contents of an unpublished or classified official document or the contents thereof;
     
  (b) use that information or document for a private purpose;

  (c) publish in any form whatever any military information or the member's views on any military subject to unauthorized persons;
   
  (d) deliver publicly, or record for public delivery, either directly or through the medium of radio or television, a lecture, discourse or answers to questions relating to a military subject;
     
  (e) prepare a paper or write a script on any military subject for delivery or transmission to the public;
   
  (f) publish the member's opinions on any military question that is under consideration by superior authorities;
     
  (g) take part in public in a discussion relating to orders, regulations or instructions issued by the member's superiors;
   
  (h) disclose to an unauthorized person, without the authority of the department, agency or other body concerned, any information acquired in an official capacity while seconded, attached or loaned to that department, agency or other body;
   
  (i) furnish to any person, not otherwise authorized to receive them, official reports, correspondence or other documents, or copies thereof; or
 
  (j) publish in writing or deliver any lecture, address or broadcast in any dealing with a subject of a controversial nature affecting other departments of the public service or pertaining to public policy.

  (3) This article does not apply to a writing, lecture, address or broadcast confined exclusively to members of the Canadian Forces.


The "Gospel" accoring to Her Majesty.
 
Thanks for the info - so basically don't do it in uniform and stay away from military related debates if I'm going to have a negative comment (though I wouldn't have one, unless it was about the budget). What about comments about the current government or governor general, or *gasp* the queen herself?
 
As a reservist or regular at school - your fine, just dont do it as an attributed member of the CF...
 
As a reservist you are under the code of service discipline:

while undergoing drill or training (whether you are in uniform or not)
whenever you are in uniform
while on any military duty
24 hours a day, 7 days a week during any period of full time service (Class "B" or "C" service)
whenever you are present on defence property
whenever you are in a vehicle, ship or aircraft of the CF
 
Zero216 said:
What about comments about the current government or governor general, or *gasp* the queen herself?

The National Defence Act provides:

"94. Every person who uses traitorous or disloyal words regarding Her Majesty is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years or to less punishment."

As noted above, the Code of Service Discipline doesn't apply to reservists except under certain circumstances, but slagging the Queen is bad form for a Service member regardless of whether is actionable under the CSD at the time.
 
I hope i didn't imply in my last post that I think you should say whatever you want because you're not under CSD, that was not my intent.  You should always be mindful of whatever you say.  You may not be official discplined if you start spewing crap out of your mouth...  But you might run into a shovel at night on your next ex  ::)
 
If the seminars are a forum for reasoned criticism and debate underpinned by verifiable evidence and data, there should be no problem.

If the seminars are a circus for preening and posturing and regurgitation of flavour-of-the-month dogma, it would be best not to comment.
 
when there was talk show being taped in toronto and I was working at the lfca hq and the Mgen was going to be on, but he was ordered not to appear on the show by ndhq, the paffo department told us we could say  anything we want as long as kept it to personal opinion and always started any  question or comment with the  words " in my  personal opinion" did not wear uniforms or anything that  made us look like soldiers.

none of us said anything during the question and answer part of the show, but it was interesting to see the rules read out to us, and what  the charges would be if we said the wrong things.

keep everything as your personal opinion and you should be ok. do not tlak about policies, or decesions made above your pay grade.
 
FormerHorseGuard said:
when there was talk show being taped in toronto and I was working at the lfca hq and the Mgen was going to be on, but he was ordered not to appear on the show by ndhq, the paffo department told us we could say   anything we want as long as kept it to personal opinion and always started any   question or comment with the   words " in my   personal opinion" did not wear uniforms or anything that   made us look like soldiers.

none of us said anything during the question and answer part of the show, but it was interesting to see the rules read out to us, and what   the charges would be if we said the wrong things.

keep everything as your personal opinion and you should be ok. do not tlak about policies, or decesions made above your pay grade.

This post confuses me a bit. Were you on TV as identified members of the CF? Were you sent to be on the show as a duty? Were you being paid to be there?  It seems to me as though you might actually have subject to the CSD, but your post isn't clear on this. If you were subject, then all rules applied, and "in my personal opinion" normally shouldn't be a part of yuor discussion, since what the PA rules normally state is that we "stay in uor own lanes" and talk about facts. We should avoid speculation and personal opinions.

On the other hand, if you were a Res at the time, and you did not meet any of the requirements to be under the CSD, why were you being threatened with charges? A Res who is not subject to the CSD cannot be charged under it, period. If you violated the Secrets Act, perhaps, but that is not a very likely occurrence for most of us.

Cheers.
 
it was the shirely show, do not know if i typed the name of the show or not correctly.

it was was about gays and lesbians being in the army. General Lewis Mackenzie was suppose to be on the show as a guest and he wanted army  people in the audience to watch, sort of show that we were above the BS about how bad or how good it would be for the army  to have gays or lesbians in the forces.  we were not in uniform but were all seated together as a group in reserved seating area, so when the audience was shown  we would be on camera lots. i think i counted myself on camera at least 10 times during the tv airing of the show.

it was not hard to pick out the army  people there, short, hair, clean cut and not making out with the same sex beside them.

if we decided to ask or say  something during the question answer period , we were coached how to say  it so it did not look like or sound like army  policy or as if we were trying to create  new policy.

at the last minute Gen MAc was told he was not allowed to attend the taping but we could still go and see for ourselves the fuss and see if it was really such a big deal.  we had a debrief the next morning by  the paffo people incase we said anything on camera. i do not recall any one from the HQ saying anything  on camera

we were told not to wear army  uniforms, there was a  captain  and a few others besides  myself who went down. it was hot while waiting in line to get in to the taping, he was was well dressed, sweater and stuff, like most of us,  he took off his sweater, he was wearing his Mountain Warfare USA Army  Tshirt,  just back of a course with the 10th Mountain troops, I was wearing my UNit Tshirt, all the army  people had the dogtags and stuff on. so no matter what we worn we were army.

I was on Class Ba so i was under the rules of the CDS and various other directions given at the time by  commanding officers and commanders.
Paffo gave the directions as follows not word for word but close enough it has been over 10 years.

if we wanted to say  anything, we could not state any offical policy  that  we knew of, or been told about. we could not say  our names or ranks, could not state units where were stationed or working. could not state rumours or unofficial sources for anything.

if we were to say  anything we had to start with  something  like this " in my  personal opinion"  or "i believe "
they were very  strict on what  words we could say.


the guests on the show were  one guy formerly  served  and had just released from the forces. he was very openly gay. A former army  intelligence officer from the 50s to 70s and was found out to be gay  and not allowed on a US army posting  exchange program , he was a Canadian officer,  the US army  deemed him a threat to national security, and everyone here good friend Taylor.  Scott???? i want to call him james  but i am bad for names.


the just out of the serivice guy  not sure if he was air or army. he complained that he was always on the alert for gay  bashing and stuff and he got out for his own safety. the Officer retired because of his sexual  history and was forced out.
Taylor all he would talk about how the guys or women would feel uncomfortable about the showers which are shared and stuff  how the gay  soldier would make them feel if they thought they were being checked out by  the gay  soldier.

the show was poory done, poorly  researched and poorly  conducted. they never even got beyond the how the showers were bad, living witha  gay  soldier was all bad. nothing about if the soldier could do the job let them be. it was all negative in how it was protrayed, i felt i sudden;y  had joined a gay  bashing group.  I am not gay  but i do not think they needed to be bashed so hard.  I am of the idea behind closed  doors who cares unless i am involved.

hope this clears some of that  up

 
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