Question - re: release

[Dreaden]

Hello,

This is my first post on here, I just have a quick question regarding voluntary release.  I'm sorry if informtion about this is posted somewhere else but I am not familiar with the forums and have done some searching and havn't been able to find an answer to my question. 

Basically, I began my basic training 2 weekends ago. Last week I was offered another full time government job, which will conflict with my training schedule.  As a result I may have to stop my training and seek a voluntary release.  The reason being the full time job is something that I have been working towads since finishing university and would allow me to finally move out on my own etc (because of what I will be making).  The military although also extremely important doest offer me the same kinds of "things" I will be able to obtain from the other job.  I feel horribly about it considering I have only been enrolled for a short period of time, and I don't want to waste anyones time by staying in and having them teach me and then leaving. 

Anyways, I am a reservist and I wanted to know how I would go about "leaving the reserve" and well the military all together?  I know well according to the the canadian forces website that reservists can leave at any time without any reprocussions.  First of all, do I just attend a friday night/weekend session, and simplly hand them the release forms? or would I have to attend the entire weekends training?  this doesnt seem right to me because I dont want to waste their time when I will alreday be leaving? also how long does it generally take to be relseased?  and do i have to keep attending the training seessions until I am?  also, i I didnt go to a seccion (because of my new jobs hours conflicting with the training days) would I get into trouble?

I dont want to offend anyone or speak illy of the forces it is a great and important institution.  Just something I cant do at the present time.

Any "helpful" advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

 

[Dreaden]

Also, sorry for the gramatical and spelling mistakes my computer was acting funny while I was tying my post.

Thanks again

 

[Nauticus]

Talk to your reserve unit, your CO. Chain of Command.

The reasons you are leaving are irrelevant. It doesn't matter why you aren't doing it anymore, so don't worry too much about it. People leave for all different reasons.

I don't know for sure regarding reserves for the rest of your questions, so I'll skip over trying to answer. One thing I do know, though, is don't "leave" until after you've been told you can stop going. You could end up being released with less than positive recommendations and even required to pay for any equipment that you don't return.

 

[MARS]

You need to tell your supervisor ASAP - even before you report for duty next, if possible.  Like tomorrow.

You will likely be asked to draft up a short memo putting this on paper - it is required for your file.  Explain your reasons, indicate that this is a considered decision.  Someone will eventually brief you on the repercussions - just to make sure your decision is, as I said, well considered.  Be advised, that the CF 'may' decide not to rehire you again in the future, should you decide to re-enrol.

DO NOT skip any training until your release if finalised or some clear arrangement is agreed upon with your superiors.  Doing so could very well affect the 'item' (the category) that you are released under, which could affect any future attempt to re-enrol.  Your release will not happen overnight, but possibly, just possibly, you might be able to stop training sooner rather than later.

You are a reservist - sometimes life gets in the way.  Do this properly and no one will fault you. 

What Nauticus said...better and more concisely than me.

 

[Dreaden]

Thanks guys I appreciate your help.  I guess I just find it "funny" that they would want me to continue going when I am trying to get out. it just seems like a waste of everyones time.

I didnt explain in my first post, but I am actually missing my next training session due to new job training which I have to do.  So not only would I be leaving but I would also be missing a training session, meaning that if I was to attend the 3rd session I would already be behind.  It seems like it would be a waste of time for me as well as the trainers attending because I would most likley have to be brought up to speed on what is going on, which would mean additional help from their end.  This just seems unreasonable to ask for and unnecessary.

I will attend the session, if thats what they want, but just for curiousity's sake if I decided not to go (e.g. my new job had me working that weekend), what would be the consequences? if any? when i do decide to leave i would like to make this process as painless as possible, both for myself and for the CF.

Also, I'm sorry I cant remember if this was answered, how many training sessions would I have to attend after signing the release work? how long does it generally take to be released?

thanks again for your help it is much appreciated.

 

[Dreaden]

I also forgot to mention that me missing the next training session, the 2nd session has been approved.

 

[Nauticus]

Thanks guys I appreciate your help.  I guess I just find it "funny" that they would want me to continue going when I am trying to get out. it just seems like a waste of everyones time.

I didnt explain in my first post, but I am actually missing my next training session due to new job training which I have to do.  So not only would I be leaving but I would also be missing a training session, meaning that if I was to attend the 3rd session I would already be behind.  It seems like it would be a waste of time for me as well as the trainers attending because I would most likley have to be brought up to speed on what is going on, which would mean additional help from their end.  This just seems unreasonable to ask for and unnecessary.

I will attend the session, if thats what they want, but just for curiousity's sake if I decided not to go (e.g. my new job had me working that weekend), what would be the consequences? if any? when i do decide to leave i would like to make this process as painless as possible, both for myself and for the CF.

Also, I'm sorry I cant remember if this was answered, how many training sessions would I have to attend after signing the release work? how long does it generally take to be released?

thanks again for your help it is much appreciated.

It can take any length of time to be released. The reason they expect you continue attending training is because you haven't been released yet, and those are your obligations.

It may sound silly, but the fact of the matter is you probably should have informed your new job of what your obligations to the reserves are, and that you are still expected to participate until your release is complete.

Any time that you miss that is approved is okay, for the most part. But don't just skip any days. I know you want out as quickly as possible, but you should have thought of that before applying. Now you're in, you have obligations to fulfill, so make sure you successfully fulfill whatever obligations you have.

 

[MARS]

Ya know, in the private sector, most people who want to leave on good terms tend to give the standard "two weeks" notice.  I mean, some people just stop showing up, but that never ends well.  So "two weeks notice" tends to give your employer time to react, find a replacement, sort out your paperwork, etc.  Your new employer should expect this - he/she would expect the same.

There is no finite timeline for the CF - it depends how busy your clerks are in your BOR, how much they need to chase after you to get whatever info they might need.

Funny?  Dude - it is the CF, a rather large, lumbering bureaucracy at times.  A machine which has no sense of humour.  Yeah, your supervisors won't want you attending either,and they will likely sympathize with you, but you joined an arm of the federal government, not some mom 'n pop outfit. 

Sometimes these things take a little time.  In the navy, most releases tend to take about 30 days.  No one is going to necessarily drop everything they are working on and adjust their priorities because you are releasing.  And the "machine" won't necessarily care.  So it kind of depends how much advance notice you give them.  The more the better, the more you communicate throughout the process the better, and hopefully something can be worked out.

Again, if you haven't done so already, contact your supervisor tomorrow.

OK, I'm just gonna let Nauticus run with this one - I am simply repeating what he is saying. ;D

Milnet.ca Mentor

edited for grammar

 

[Nauticus]

Ya know, in the private sector, most people who want to leave on good terms tend to give the standard "two weeks" notice.  I mean, some people just stop showing up, but that never ends well.  So "two weeks notice: tends to give your employer time to react, find a replacement, sort out your paperwork, etc.  Your new employer should expect this - he/she would expect the same.

There is no finite timeline for the CGF - it depends how busy your clerks are in your BOR, how much they need to chase after you to get whatever info they might need.

Funny?  Dude - it is the CF, a rather large, lumbering bureaucracy at times.  A machine which has no sense of humour.  Yeah, your supervisors won't want you attending either,and they will likely sympathize with you, but you joined an arm of the federal government, not some mom 'n pop outfit. 

Sometimes these things take a little time.  In the navy, most releases tend to take about 30 days.  No one is going to necessarily drop everything they are working on and adjust their priorities because you are releasing.  And the "machine" won't necessarily care.  So it kind of depends how much advance notice you give them.  The more the better, the more you communicate throughout the process the better, and hope something can be worked out.

Again, if you haven't done so already, contact your supervisor tomorrow.

OK, I'm just gonna let Nauticus run with this one - I am simply repeated what he is saying. ;D

Milnet.ca Mentor

But you're saying it more clearly and better than I. So feel free

 

[Dreaden]

Thanks for the info guys, this may sound like a silly question but who do I inform, my "unit" or the "people" training me? I dont have any contact information for the ones doing my actual training as I wasn't provided with it.  This may be totally unrealistic but would anyone here have any idea how I would go about contacting them?  or a number I could call to get to get information to do so?  I have the contact information for my unit, but i read somewhere that i should contact the "people" who are doing the training?

Thanks again

 

[Nauticus]

Thanks for the info guys, this may sound like a silly question but who do I inform, my "unit" or the "people" training me? I dont have any contact information for the ones doing my actual training as I wasn't provided with it.  This may be totally unrealistic but would anyone here have any idea how I would go about contacting them?  or a number I could call to get to get information to do so?  I have the contact information for my unit, but i read somewhere that i should contact the "people" who are doing the training?

Thanks again

I'd contact those you have the contact info to, and perhaps they can contact your trainers if necessary.

Remember, you aren't releasing from the place you're being trained, you're releasing from your unit. And chances are, you won't "get out" of the training you already booked by releasing, if it's soon.

 

[MARS]

You could call that number, identify yourself, and ask for contact info for whoever your supervisor is.  Be prepared for your unit to deny you the info over the phone and instead contact you (call you back) at whatever number you have on file, for personnel security reasons.



D'oH...really Nauticus?  Really?  Like, you weren't even on this thread when I started typing.  Damn my sausage fingers! ;D

Seriously bro - YOU got this.  I'm going back to bed.

 

[George Wallace]

You are going to have to inform both.  If your Crse NCOs or Officer have not given you contact numbers, then have your unit contact them and pass on the info.

 

[Nauticus]

You could call that number, identify yourself, and ask for contact info for whoever your supervisor is.  Be prepared for your unit to deny you the info over the phone and instead contact you (call you back) at whatever number you have on file, for personnel security reasons.



D'oH...really Nauticus?  Really?  Like, you weren't even on this thread when I started typing.  Damn my sausage fingers! ;D

Seriously bro - YOU got this.  I'm going back to bed.

Hahaha Sorry. I get excited sometimes.

Let's pass this thread over to George

 

[George Wallace]

Hahaha Sorry. I get excited sometimes.

Let's pass this thread over to George

Gee thanks.  Between fat fingers, retyping spelling mistakes and catching up on another forum, you have shown lightning speed and fairly level advice so far.......I think most, if not all the bases have been covered.

On the Release side of the house, in LFCA it may take a while.  I have seen some take over a year, some less than a month.  It will all depend on the competence of your OR staff, the time lag in transmitting the info between your unit and LFCA, the competence of LFCA staff and other factors that one can not predict.