George Wallace said:
I've read that many times, over 50 pages of it. Now explain why I am naive. Thanks.
George Wallace said:
JM2345 said:Is there some reason for this? Were you getting updates from the CFVRC as to why your application took longer? The way the Master Corporal explained it to me in an email, applications are looked at in order of when the are received (for regular force at least), and a decision made as to if they will be passed to your local recruiting center for processing or not. This would mean unless there were unique circumstances regarding your application, nobody should be getting their file faster than you in general. If there were unique circumstances, please let us know, because your posts are very discouraging to people and setting unrealistic expectations.
Jammer said:Watch the attitude mate.
If you read it many times as you attest, then you would have seen that there are many factors in play that can be attributed to a lengthy process. You see, not everyone can meet even the most basic entry requirements. Background checks and verification of source material submitted will have to be verified.
You're not applying to Tim Hortons and no, the Armed Forces are not obligated to offer you a job, just the opportunity to apply....take a number...next.
JM2345 said:I don't have an attitude, I am simply replying with the same tone that someone brought to me in an attempt to publicly insult me. I matched his tone, not exceeding it. The factors which you mentioned are not part of the initial process of getting your application from the CFVRC to your local recruiting center.
If you don't meet the basic entry requirements, than the CFVRC will tell you that, and you aren't waiting for your application to be sent from them to your local recruiting center. Background checks and verification of core documents are all done at the local recruiting center level. As I said, as far as I am aware, there should be no reason anyone is just waiting at the CFVRC level without an update from them for 6-8 months at this time, unless they have unique circumstances which they are aware of and don't generally apply to anyone else.
As you say "take a number, next" which means when you apply and send in your copies of your documents, you should be put in line for processing, not having others pass by you without an update on your application. Nowhere did I say I am entitled to a job, but I am entitled to an update on my application, as that is part of the job of the CFVRC staff. If someone is going 6-8 months without any update, probably either they screwed up somewhere, missed an update from the CFVRC staff, or the CFVRC staff screwed up.
JM2345 said:I don't have an attitude, I am simply replying with the same tone that someone brought to me in an attempt to publicly insult me. I matched his tone, not exceeding it...
Goodeman said:The point is that you shouldnt expect anything. If you expect something and get dissapointed, thats your problem. People sometimes fall through the cracks and thats just reality. There are some people that have been waiting years to get in the CF. I didnt move on after 8 months because being an infantry soldier is something I want and I wont give up until I get it. If people get discouraged because they have a bit of a wait, that sucks, but maybe they arent cut out for this line of work.
JM2345 said:I've read that many times, over 50 pages of it. Now explain why I am naive. Thanks.
BeyondTheNow said:I'm afraid you are definitely coming across as the individual with an "attitude." The user, whose 'naivety' remarks you took offense to, is also army.ca staff. He was stating a fact that your viewpoints regarding what you believe does, or should be taking place during the recruiting process were misguided.
As well, other senior members are/were trying to alert you to the fact that you are/were coming across inappropriately.
JM2345 said:Is there some reason for this? Were you getting updates from the CFVRC as to why your application took longer? The way the Master Corporal explained it to me in an email, applications are looked at in order of when the are received (for regular force at least), and a decision made as to if they will be passed to your local recruiting center for processing or not. This would mean unless there were unique circumstances regarding your application, nobody should be getting their file faster than you in general. If there were unique circumstances, please let us know, because your posts are very discouraging to people and setting unrealistic expectations.
JM2345 said:Being staff of this site doesn't give you the right to insult someone and not expect that person to try to defend themselves. What viewpoints or beliefs that I have are misguided exactly? That isn't a sarcastic question, I am being serious. If there is something I am wrong about, I would love to hear it because obviously I have either been misinformed by someone, or I have read something that was incorrect. So, if I am coming across as naive, I just want to hear why someone believes that. If I am wrong about something, I want to know what it is.
I don't see why anyone would think my post asking for clarification is inappropriate. I know for a fact both of the guys who replied about their 6-8 month processing times before had extremely unique circumstances, which is why I posted my reply. They made it seem like that is the norm, but it isn't.
George Wallace said:Why do you think that only a few people have unique sets of circumstances? You, yourself are unique. You have a different education than everyone else. You have different moral and ethical values than everyone else. You have a different criminal history than everyone else? You have different parents and place of birth than everyone else. You live in a different location and under different circumstances than everyone else. You have a different religion/lack of religion than everyone else. And the list will go on and on.....as stated in the 50 pages that you seem not to have clued in on. YOU are a unique set of circumstances; just like everyone else. NO ONE can give you a definite timeline by which you will be processed; as circumstances, job openings, your history, etc. are not molded to fit an exact set of criteria. You are not a clone. YOU are an INDIVIDUAL. As such you are treated as one, and your processing may take more, or less, time than someone else.
Does that clarify it more for you? Reading is one thing. Comprehension is another.
JM2345 said:Being staff of this site doesn't give you the right to insult someone and not expect that person to try to defend themselves. What viewpoints or beliefs that I have are misguided exactly? That isn't a sarcastic question, I am being serious. If there is something I am wrong about, I would love to hear it because obviously I have either been misinformed by someone, or I have read something that was incorrect. So, if I am coming across as naive, I just want to hear why someone believes that. If I am wrong about something, I want to know what it is.
I don't see why anyone would think my post asking for clarification is inappropriate. I know for a fact both of the guys who replied about their 6-8 month processing times before had extremely unique circumstances, which is why I posted my reply. They made it seem like that is the norm, but it isn't.
DAA said:That's not a fair question to ask. That's like asking a friend "Why did your application for a Credit Card not get processed?" There are generally reasons why and some of those reasons may be personal to each person but then again it could just be circumstance such as the occupation choices are CLOSED or could be "highly" competitive due to limited numbers.
As far as your file being processed based on when it is received, well that is only one part of the equation, the other part being the "priorities" for recruiting.
So you really shouldn't view those others posts as being "discouraging and setting unrealistic expectations", they are merely "sharing" their own experience by saying in a round about way "Hopefully you don't have to wait as long as I had to wait but you should be prepared just in case."
DAA said:That's not a fair question to ask. That's like asking a friend "Why did your application for a Credit Card not get processed?" There are generally reasons why and some of those reasons may be personal to each person but then again it could just be circumstance such as the occupation choices are CLOSED or could be "highly" competitive due to limited numbers.
As far as your file being processed based on when it is received, well that is only one part of the equation, the other part being the "priorities" for recruiting.
So you really shouldn't view those others posts as being "discouraging and setting unrealistic expectations", they are merely "sharing" their own experience by saying in a round about way "Hopefully you don't have to wait as long as I had to wait but you should be prepared just in case."
George Wallace said:OK. You have a very thin skin if you think that people are insulting you, so I will leave you to ask redundant questions over and over again Ad nauseam.
This post is worded differently, but says the same thing about "YOU are unique -- YOU are an individual".
However, I see that you don't want to accept the answers given to you, so I will not waste any more oxygen on you.
Just keep on digging. That hole will only get deeper.
JM2345 said:I really don't care how unique someone is, the staff member at the CFVRC told me applications are processed "in sequence as receiving them." Are you telling me the Master Corporal staff member at the CFVRC lied to me, and that being a unique individual means that other applications may be processed before yours? Is there any reason that someones application for the same trade would be processed before yours, without you getting an update WHY your application is taking longer?
There is no hole I am digging. There are no "answers" I am not accepting. People are giving me generic responses which don't contain any factual information in response to the questions I have posed. Calling someone naive is an insult. Did you mean "naive" as a compliment, or did you mean it in a negative way? I am not here to start a fight, but if you don't think calling someone naive is an insult, then you don't understand what the word means.
SentryMAn said:Here's the best advice I can give you:
There is NO ONE that will call you to give you an update on your application status.
There is NO ONE that will call you and give you any more information.
Just like on the civilian side, it's up to YOU to contact the place you applied for a career with in order to get an update. This is also known as "drive" to be an employee.
Don't make your mom call, do get your big brother to call, pick up your phone and dial the number today, find out whats going on and ask some questions.
Cheers!
George Wallace said:I apologise to everyone. I just broke my word, but I have to post this: :facepalm:
JM2345 said:If an occupation is closed, wouldn't the CFVRC email you and tell you that your application wont be processed? Or am I wrong about that? Same question for it being highly competitive. If you aren't competitive enough, wont they just decide not to process your application at that time, and email you saying such?
The priorities for recruiting is the type of information I am looking for. As I said, I was told directly by a staff member at the CFVRC via email that application are processed "in sequence as receiving them." So are you saying that certain trades would cause your application to be processed ahead of others?
I took the posts as "if you think 8 months of waiting if a long time, you aren't cut out for the CF." Which is pretty much what one of the posters said later.
JM2345 said:So while it may be true they wont call me, they have said they will email me with an update when it is processed. Other than that, there should be no reason to contact them. If they need more documents or information (besides the core documents) they will be required to contact me. I would also give the same advice to you for anyone waiting more than 3 months without an update though, despite what the Master Corporal told me. From everything I have read here, if you are going 3 months without an update there is probably something wrong OR you might have missed an update from them.