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Posted by Ian Edwards <[email protected]> on Fri, 19 May 2000 17:07:05 -0600
Some cadets on this net and a few more recent members of the PRes
are under the impression that "it was a lot tougher in the old days".
Cadets, for sure, haven‘t got any easier since I transferred to the CIC
then called the CSofC in 1972. Discipline and expectations just vary
from corps to corps then as now.
If some of the "old sweats" on this net who soldiered in the 1950s and
1960s were honest with themselves they will recall being told as
recruitees by their older regimental brothers that "things were much
tougher back in the 1930s, WW2, the early 50s, or whatever". And
soldiering back between the two Big Wars was a piece of cake compared to
the Victorian era. And so on back to the Year 1, when they were all mere
low tech spear carriers. Before recent times take your pick as to when
this began discipline of soldiers was stricter - for one good reason -
to keep soldiers "busy" because an idle soldier got himself in trouble,
drank too much, etc. So the solution was more "Bull" keep him busy with
the blanko, brasso, etc.
The psychologists have a term for this, called "the old oaken bucket
syndrome". Sounds a lot like my dad, age 85, telling us kids when we
were growing up about walking to school the proverbial 5 miles, uphill
both ways, living through the Depression, etc. etc. ad nausium. True,
but so what?
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Posted by Albert King <[email protected]> on Sat, 20 May 2000 11:41:54 0000
I have seen the standards drop in my Sqn. and have heard many similar
complaints from others. Standards are from the many many complaints I‘m
hearing everywhere dropping the Reg. and Res. Forces. Summer courses have
been "dumbed down."
As for the compalints made by our fathers and grandfathers, I‘m sure most of
them are justified. The fact is that kids and adults today are much better
of then kids and adults 50 or 100 years ago. Technology have made all of our
lives easier. My parents are better off then their parents. I‘m sure that I
have had an easier childhood then my parents, and I‘m suire that will hold
true for my kids.
Ian Edwards wrote:
> Some cadets on this net and a few more recent members of the PRes
> are under the impression that "it was a lot tougher in the old days".
> Cadets, for sure, haven‘t got any easier since I transferred to the CIC
> then called the CSofC in 1972. Discipline and expectations just vary
> from corps to corps then as now.
>
> If some of the "old sweats" on this net who soldiered in the 1950s and
> 1960s were honest with themselves they will recall being told as
> recruitees by their older regimental brothers that "things were much
> tougher back in the 1930s, WW2, the early 50s, or whatever". And
> soldiering back between the two Big Wars was a piece of cake compared to
> the Victorian era. And so on back to the Year 1, when they were all mere
> low tech spear carriers. Before recent times take your pick as to when
> this began discipline of soldiers was stricter - for one good reason -
> to keep soldiers "busy" because an idle soldier got himself in trouble,
> drank too much, etc. So the solution was more "Bull" keep him busy with
> the blanko, brasso, etc.
>
> The psychologists have a term for this, called "the old oaken bucket
> syndrome". Sounds a lot like my dad, age 85, telling us kids when we
> were growing up about walking to school the proverbial 5 miles, uphill
> both ways, living through the Depression, etc. etc. ad nausium. True,
> but so what?
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Posted by "Trevor Morin" <[email protected]> on Sun, 21 May 2000 01:47:25 PDT
umm....personally, i think that it‘s the level of discipline lost over the
years that‘s most disgusting. superiors aren‘t allowed to even give their
subordinates push-ups when they **** up anymore, for god‘s sake!!
From: Ian Edwards
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: A Lot Stricter
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:07:05 -0600
Some cadets on this net and a few more recent members of the PRes
are under the impression that "it was a lot tougher in the old days".
Cadets, for sure, haven‘t got any easier since I transferred to the CIC
then called the CSofC in 1972. Discipline and expectations just vary
from corps to corps then as now.
If some of the "old sweats" on this net who soldiered in the 1950s and
1960s were honest with themselves they will recall being told as
recruitees by their older regimental brothers that "things were much
tougher back in the 1930s, WW2, the early 50s, or whatever". And
soldiering back between the two Big Wars was a piece of cake compared to
the Victorian era. And so on back to the Year 1, when they were all mere
low tech spear carriers. Before recent times take your pick as to when
this began discipline of soldiers was stricter - for one good reason -
to keep soldiers "busy" because an idle soldier got himself in trouble,
drank too much, etc. So the solution was more "Bull" keep him busy with
the blanko, brasso, etc.
The psychologists have a term for this, called "the old oaken bucket
syndrome". Sounds a lot like my dad, age 85, telling us kids when we
were growing up about walking to school the proverbial 5 miles, uphill
both ways, living through the Depression, etc. etc. ad nausium. True,
but so what?
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Posted by "dave" <[email protected]> on Sun, 21 May 2000 14:24:07 -0700
My younger brother went through cornwallis, 6 years after me. When he was
there the instructors were not allowed to trash your locker during kit
inspections. But...... there was a phenomenen known as the "green tornado"
that would coincidently strike the offending locker space. There is always
a way to impart discipline, the instructors now just have to be more
creative. Thet call things remedial pt or training, not punishment. When I
did my training in Pet., we had lots of "remedial training", and we learned
team work through troop pushups, including the staff and other instructors.
Its only punishment if you have to do it by yourself.
----- Original Message -----
From: Trevor Morin
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Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: A Lot Stricter
> umm....personally, i think that it‘s the level of discipline lost over the
> years that‘s most disgusting. superiors aren‘t allowed to even give their
> subordinates push-ups when they **** up anymore, for god‘s sake!!
>
>
> From: Ian Edwards
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: A Lot Stricter
> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:07:05 -0600
>
> Some cadets on this net and a few more recent members of the PRes
> are under the impression that "it was a lot tougher in the old days".
> Cadets, for sure, haven‘t got any easier since I transferred to the CIC
> then called the CSofC in 1972. Discipline and expectations just vary
> from corps to corps then as now.
>
> If some of the "old sweats" on this net who soldiered in the 1950s and
> 1960s were honest with themselves they will recall being told as
> recruitees by their older regimental brothers that "things were much
> tougher back in the 1930s, WW2, the early 50s, or whatever". And
> soldiering back between the two Big Wars was a piece of cake compared to
> the Victorian era. And so on back to the Year 1, when they were all mere
> low tech spear carriers. Before recent times take your pick as to when
> this began discipline of soldiers was stricter - for one good reason -
> to keep soldiers "busy" because an idle soldier got himself in trouble,
> drank too much, etc. So the solution was more "Bull" keep him busy with
> the blanko, brasso, etc.
>
> The psychologists have a term for this, called "the old oaken bucket
> syndrome". Sounds a lot like my dad, age 85, telling us kids when we
> were growing up about walking to school the proverbial 5 miles, uphill
> both ways, living through the Depression, etc. etc. ad nausium. True,
> but so what?
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