RE: Firemans Carry

[Iltis]

    Can anyone out there tell me if the Firemans carry is going to be thrown out of the testing, Don't you figure a Combat drag would be better. More real I'd say

    Thanks
    Iltis

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Little hard on the combats and the individual don't you think?

 

[Armymedic]

While the 'drag' is more realistic and much easier to accomplish, there is little or no push to change the firemans carry from a PT fitness standard. I heard of talk about people looking at it in favour of a more firemans' carry/drag, but it was mostly just talk.

 

[George Wallace]

Little hard on the combats and the individual don't you think?

It would probably be done like the tests done for Police Forces, and other Emergency organizations.  You wouldn't have a real person, but a weighted dummy.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

You wouldn't have a real person, but a weighted dummy.

I can think of so many people who fit that desciption though...the rest of the comments that came to my pea brain would land me on the warning system so I had better  :-X (not in regards to anyone on this site).

 

[Old Ranger]

Like wise...

 

[BDTyre]

We had firemen tell us that the firemans' carry is one of the least ideal/suitable methods of transportting casualties.

 

[OldSolduer]

Weighted dummies?

Yeah I could think of several that would fit that description.
On the more serious side, that portion of the BFT should be changed.

 

[George Wallace]

On the more serious side, that portion of the BFT should be changed.

Think about it.  15 Mags.  Body Armour. TacVest/whatever Rig. Wpn.  Some of the kit being worn will almost double the weight of a small person.  That alone makes one wonder why the Fireman's Carry is still being used.  Now it is just as painful on the guy being carried as the one carrying.  Now lets throw in the bullets on a two way range, and who wants to pick someone up or be carried in the air.  I think that this goes against what I was taught on my Safety Management Crse.  ;D

 

[OldSolduer]

OK TROOPS....helmets on!! :warstory:
I fireman carried my section 2 I/C who was 260-270 on a light day.
Then he put on his kit.....we're looking at over 300 pounds here....It was all I could do to accomplish it. I'm over 200 myself and this was a chore....
Have you ever tried to drag someone that big? or carry him?

 

[PMedMoe]

IMHO, I don't think that the Fireman's Carry is indicative of a person's fitness.  And even if it were, what are the odds that I am going to find someone my size and have to carry them 100 meters in one minute?  :  I have heard of units doing a "Casualty Carry", two people carrying one on a stretcher.

 

[BDTyre]

I'm sorry, I can't casevac you because you're not my size and I'd have to take you more than 100m.  ;D

 

[medaid]

Have you ever tried to drag someone that big? or carry him?

Drag is much easier then carry... one you break your back and is unable to defend yourself. The other, you can lay the casualty back on the ground, pop off a few, and drag on. JMO.

 

[PMedMoe]

I'm sorry, I can't casevac you because you're not my size and I'd have to take you more than 100m.  ;D

Well, not quite my point, but really what it comes down to, eh? 
Thank goodness for adrenaline!!

 

[geo]

Heh, the man is wearing a helmet, grab him by the ankles and start dragging.
So you come up to a staircase,.... so what, he's wearing a helmet!

 

[Rodahn]

Heh, the man is wearing a helmet, grab him by the ankles and start dragging.
So you come up to a staircase,.... so what, he's wearing a helmet!

I like the way you think Geo....  ;D

 

[Old Ranger]

Drag is much easier then carry... one you break your back and is unable to defend yourself. The other, you can lay the casualty back on the ground, pop off a few, and drag on. JMO.

I can't remember the site, but I've see drag slings setups available. One type wasthat you wear one that can be attached to the person dragging you. Picture showed dragging and shooting. I'll try and find link.

http://www.narescue.com/Category.aspx?SID=1&Category_ID=140

And there it is, with a new picture

 

[medicineman]

I'm presonally more in favour of a drag - as mentioned earlier, much easier to do when someone is kitted up, it's somewhat safer, especially over uneven ground (I"ve dropped and been dropped because some smart ass decided to make us do it on a snow covered field that had a lot of ground squirrel dens) - not all that safe to have someone battle loaded fall on you because you twisted your ankle or hit a rut or couldn't see where you were going.  Forget the injuries to people's backs I've seen - and these are fit people - from doing fireman's carries.  Most frefighters won't do it with a dead weight casualty now - they drag them or do a two rescuer carry if they have to.  I used to teach people if they had to do a fireman's carry, they should de-kit the person as much as possible to give them a fighting chance of geeting them up and on- not easy when they have the tac vest and frag vest combo with strike plates, since they get a bit stiff.  However, I do find it most preferable to doing the leopard crawl with the poor slob on my back - that not only hurts the elbows, but is really tiring.  The only plus is the casualty can be used to protect you... :.

MM

 

[medaid]

I can't remember the site, but I've see drag slings setups available. One type wasthat you wear one that can be attached to the person dragging you. Picture showed dragging and shooting. I'll try and find link.

http://www.narescue.com/Category.aspx?SID=1&Category_ID=140

And there it is, with a new picture

COOL!

 

[Old Ranger]

Of course all this Carry/Drag stuff could be avoided if you had Armour roll up an "level" the threat.
Then we could just drive up in Ambulances :

                                                                                  Ya, I know STFU zipper head