Recording mileage toward Troop Lift qualification

[Harris]

I am %99 sure my drivers time is not entered into any system,  For example we have Platoons at three seperate locations, each with their own vehicle.  Two of the three locations don't even have a connection to the DIN.  So I'm quite confident that none of the various drivers time is entered.  I'll confirm with my tpt MCpl.  Normally we use the 1 year of driving experience to allow troop lift.

 

[geo]

Given the sit, LFQAs battle school will, upon receiving their draft of reserve drivers in May, will review the driver's 416 and interview each driver.  If there is any doubt, they take him/her out for a drive and make a decision.  Possibly put him on a stores truck for the 1st few weeks while they observe him... possibly let him loose and allow troop lift right away.

 

[Timmy!]

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Most reserve units only have a couple of vehicles and a  pool of drivers who will use same... not an assigned vehicle.
Reservists are entered into FMS in that they control the issue of 404s. road accidents, etc but, not on a day to day basis
Reserve unit vehicles aren't really tracked in FMS

I see where you are coming from. A lot of "user" units have standing/recurring details that last for the month. Also known as a monthly detail. Recording user drivers is the fall back on that system. I see a huge gap in that issue. FMS still has it bugs. I believe that TPT rep shouldn't follow this way. But this is how some things work.

I wish I run Ottawa sometimes. But it still draws down to the driver, himself. To record his km's. Even if it's one silly little run per day. Every km counts. And it counts towards your Safe Driving Pin too. 

 

[241]

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Most reserve units only have a couple of vehicles and a  pool of drivers who will use same... not an assigned vehicle.
Reservists are entered into FMS in that they control the issue of 404s. road accidents, etc but, not on a day to day basis
Reserve unit vehicles aren't really tracked in FMS

Ok not really understanding what you are saying here, am I just waisting my time turning on the computer, logging onto FMS and printing off a trip ticket since apparently none of my units drivers or vehicles are tracked????  And looking at some of my drivers "files" on the FMS I see that most of them do have mileage/hours tracked on there so perhaps one of us is miss informed.

 

[Timmy!]

Ok not really understanding what you are saying here, am I just waisting my time turning on the computer, logging onto FMS and printing off a trip ticket since apparently none of my units drivers or vehicles are tracked????  And looking at some of my drivers "files" on the FMS I see that most of them do have mileage/hours tracked on there so perhaps one of us is miss informed.

I think it is at the Brigade level deal. I know one brigade that does the montly work tickets for their units. Only ones that don't are the SVC BN's. Makes you think.

 

[Sig_Des]

Sidenote, Schultz, as it just so happens, I was talking with my Tpt Reps about this earlier today. Is there now, or ever have been, an age requirement of 25 for Tp Lift?

 

[241]

I think it is at the Brigade level deal. I know one brigade that does the montly work tickets for their units. Only ones that don't are the SVC BN's. Makes you think.

I know that for us in 78 Fd Bty In Red Deer our Blue Fleet (2 9 Pax Vans and a Cube Van) are on monthly trip tickets that ASU Calgary assigns, as for our green fleet myself and another MCpl "dispatch" (for lack of better wording) and do print of Trip Tickets and enter drivers info, either at time of issue or on return, and ensure to accurately enter there mileage as well

 

[geo]

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It's possible that western Reserve units are meticulous about recording all the mileage individual drivers operate MSE - all I can say is - good for you.  At present, or certainly up till last year (year of Investigation I was working on) in LFQA, Reserve units did not track.  As I am in the J1 shop, I don't usually have much to do with MSE & FMS  - but I would be surprised that LFQA is any different than most regions.

 

[241]

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It's possible that western Reserve units are meticulous about recording all the mileage individual drivers operate MSE - all I can say is - good for you.  At present, or certainly up till last year (year of Investigation I was working on) in LFQA, Reserve units did not track.  As I am in the J1 shop, I don't usually have much to do with MSE & FMS  - but I would be surprised that LFQA is any different than most regions.

Wasn't trying to say that we where "meticulous" at anything, from one of your previous statements I was lead to believe that you where saying that PRes troops and equipment where not logged on the FMS, no perhaps I misunderstood you but "Reserve unit vehicles aren't really tracked in FMS" isn't that unclear to me.  And looking at some of our vehicles on there it seems that every maintenance visit is logged in the FMS.  So not really sure what is was that you where trying to say.

 

[Timmy!]

Sidenote, Schultz, as it just so happens, I was talking with my Tpt Reps about this earlier today. Is there now, or ever have been, an age requirement of 25 for Tp Lift?

17 is the age for us MSE Ops (935)
and 18 and over for the rest. Don't ask. It's in the TD.

Director Transportation (D Tn)
Transportation Manual

A-LM-158-005/AG-001/TD 515 (2)

REFER: Figure 1 Table of DND Driver/Operator Permits – Age Based Eligibilities and Restrictions

Regards,
Schultz


A-LM-158-005/AG-001/ "DIN ACCESS ONLY"

 

[geo]

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Certainly the vehicles are recorded in FMS, they are part of the global fleet and their service is dependent on basic info being recorded.  Reserve drivers are in FMS as well.... cause Road safety tracks qualifications and renewal time...

That having been said, most reserve units have a tendency to work with such things as Standing details & Monthly dispatches.  When the vehicle goes into the field on an Ex, the vehicle is assigned to one driver.... though I have seem several drivers behiind the wheel - filling in and doing their best to make things work.

If FMS works great out in Alberta, good for you.....

 

[241]

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Certainly the vehicles are recorded in FMS, they are part of the global fleet and their service is dependent on basic info being recorded.  Reserve drivers are in FMS as well.... cause Road safety tracks qualifications and renewal time...

That having been said, most reserve units have a tendency to work with such things as Standing details & Monthly dispatches.  When the vehicle goes into the field on an Ex, the vehicle is assigned to one driver.... though I have seem several drivers behiind the wheel - filling in and doing their best to make things work.

If FMS works great out in Alberta, good for you.....

Ok still not really sure what you where saying before but I am sure its not a big deal

 

[Sig_Des]

17 is the age for us MSE Ops (935)
and 18 and over for the rest. Don't ask. It's in the TD.

Director Transportation (D Tn)
Transportation Manual

A-LM-158-005/AG-001/TD 515 (2)

REFER: Figure 1 Table of DND Driver/Operator Permits – Age Based Eligibilities and Restrictions

Regards,
Schultz


A-LM-158-005/AG-001/ "DIN ACCESS ONLY"

Thanks

 

[Timmy!]

Thanks

No problem. Anytime my friend.

 

[chrisf]

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Certainly the vehicles are recorded in FMS, they are part of the global fleet and their service is dependent on basic info being recorded.  Reserve drivers are in FMS as well.... cause Road safety tracks qualifications and renewal time...

That having been said, most reserve units have a tendency to work with such things as Standing details & Monthly dispatches.  When the vehicle goes into the field on an Ex, the vehicle is assigned to one driver.... though I have seem several drivers behiind the wheel - filling in and doing their best to make things work.

If FMS works great out in Alberta, good for you.....

FWIW, the only time I (personally) have seen "monthly" trip tickets have been with civvie pattern "duty" vehicles, that's within the comm-res. All SMP vehicles have been issued  on per detail trip tickets, to a specific individual. That being said, the name of the driver on the trip ticket isn't always nessascarily the only driver.... I once had to operate 4 different MLVWs all at once as the only available MLVW driver... all were platoon vehicles, though the platoon drivers were tied up elsewhere... as each was loaded I'd drive it for unloading, and bring back an empty one... most secondary drivers unfortunately usually don't know, or don't bother to note their kilometers on the trip tickets.

Out of curiosity, as I'd like to maintain my troop lift, and I really should have started a log book a while back, are MSE log books a standard sort of thing, or will a simple notepad suffice?

 

[241]

FWIW, the only time I (personally) have seen "monthly" trip tickets have been with civvie pattern "duty" vehicles, that's within the comm-res. All SMP vehicles have been issued  on per detail trip tickets, to a specific individual. That being said, the name of the driver on the trip ticket isn't always nessascarily the only driver.... I once had to operate 4 different MLVWs all at once as the only available MLVW driver... all were platoon vehicles, though the platoon drivers were tied up elsewhere... as each was loaded I'd drive it for unloading, and bring back an empty one... most secondary drivers unfortunately usually don't know, or don't bother to note their kilometers on the trip tickets.

Out of curiosity, as I'd like to maintain my troop lift, and I really should have started a log book a while back, are MSE log books a standard sort of thing, or will a simple notepad suffice?

To print off the trip ticket you don't need to have a driver, for example preparing for a Res ex you don't know what drivers you are going to have prior to everyone hitting the ground, so you can print of trip tickets for every vehicle the day before and then have them (or do it yourself) write there name and svc # where it says driver.  I personally enter the start mileage when I put the trip tickets in the vehicles, that way at the end of the ex/detail if the driver hasn't been diligent enough in his duties to enter his mileage I can still go out and get the end and then correctly log his/her mileage.  Like has been said its entirely on the shoulders of the person dispatching to ensure mileage/operating hours are logged, if they are "lazy" (for lack of better words) then its probably not going to happen and then they will be on of the first ones to bitch and moan when they don't have TP lift qualified drivers and such.

 

[Timmy!]

Out of curiosity, as I'd like to maintain my troop lift, and I really should have started a log book a while back, are MSE log books a standard sort of thing, or will a simple notepad suffice?

Yes it does work. As long as you have Full CFR, veh type, Start/End and detail number. Date works too.