Recruiting Standards

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Posted by Jean-Francois Menicucci <menicucci@videotron.ca> on Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:50:53 -0500
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Jean-Francois Menicucci wrote:
> Back from Ottawa.
>
> Here in Qubec we are a different system that was implemented in the
> 60‘s
>
> we have 5 years of High School grade 7 to 12
> Then if you continue you hace CEGEP uselesss place where you spend
> 2 or three years depending on program
> then if you continue you have university for 3 years.
>
>
>
> "Wm. Durrant" wrote:
>
>> Me too. Didn‘t know that about Quebec,,,,,,,wondering why? -bill
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:Mathew Snoddon
>> To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards, correction
>> Here a little correction to my last post. I just
>> happened to see on the DND
>> page that it is grade 9 for Quebec and grade 10 everywhere
>> else in Canada.
>>
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Jean-Francois Menicucci wrote:
Back from Ottawa.
Here in Queacutebec we are a different system that was implemented
in the 60‘s
we have 5 years of High School grade 7 to 12
Then if you continue you hace CEGEP uselesss place where you spend
2 or three years depending on program
then if you continue you have university for 3 years.
"Wm. Durrant" wrote:
Me
too. Didn‘t know that about Quebec,,,,,,,wondering why?
-bill
----- Original Message -----
From:Mathew
Snoddon
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:50
PM
Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards,
correction
Here a little correction to my last post. I just happened to
see on the DND
page that it is grade 9 for Quebec and grade 10 everywhere else in
Canada.
Matt S
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Posted by "Ian Edwards" <iedwards@home.com> on Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:59:58 -0700
First, I wish you would drop this Molson commercial banner. Trite.
Second. 16 year olds were never permitted to be "called up" ie.,
liable/able to be posted overseas in peace or in war.

First, I wish you would drop this Molson commercial banner.
Trite.
Second. 16 year olds were never permitted to be "called up" ie.,
liable/able to be posted overseas in peace or in war.

 

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Posted by "Ian Edwards" <iedwards@home.com> on Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:04:33 -0700
Not true in Alburda. Not true in Saskawan.
----- Original Message -----
From: Wm. Durrant
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards
Matt,

Grade 9 French is a requirement for all secondary school diplomas in
Canada. After grade 9, however, it is an elective. The requirement for
application to the CF is 15 credits grade 10 1/2

-bill out of the closet Lurker
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Not true in Alburda. Not true in
Saskawan.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Wm.
Durrant

To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001
6:12
PM
Subject: Re: Recruiting
Standards

Matt,

Grade 9 French is a
requirementfor all
secondary school diplomas in Canada. After grade 9, however,
itis
an elective. The requirement for application to the CF is 15
credits grade 10 1/2

-bill outof the closet
Lurker
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Posted by "Ian Edwards" <iedwards@home.com> on Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:32:53 -0700
Because if they join at 17 and then start training it won‘t be long after
completion before they are 18.
They can still aid civilian power at home in the meantime if 17, I think.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards
> SomeoneI think Bill offered that troops under 18 yrs. can not move into
an
> operational theatre, or something along those lines.
> So, ifI know it won‘t happen, but just for arguement‘s sake a 17yr
old
> kid‘s unit was sent overseas for either aiding some civil power or
actually
> warfighting, the soldier mentioned would ‘sit on *** and rotate?‘
> So why even allow ‘kids‘ under that age in if they can‘t actually
serve
> during a military crisis?
> Maybe I misunderstood.
> Comments?
> -Matt
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Posted by CoastDanny@aol.com on Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:42:49 EST
Ian, in "Saskawan grade 7 IS high school.
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Posted by "Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:40:21 -0500
Tempus Edax Rerum Time Destroys All Things
I can understand the CF‘s need to offer recruiting at age 16, versus 17. I
joined at 16 myself.
Of course, other than in a pre Recruit Platoon, your were ever, ever, in a
platoon of 16 year olds, in fact once you were in a trained platoon, the 17
year old was the minority...because you could not get through the training
in a year...
And, talking with several CF PRes friends and associates, they almost need
that extra year to have a chance at the 16 year old Recruit being able to
get the time to take the training, what with National/"Area" courses that
used to be taught at "District"/Unit level...witness the litany from the
younger guys and girls that want to join, but must go through the paper
cycle...
As for a 16 year old in 1959, 1970, or 2001, physiologically they are quite
the same...maybe a little bigger, and perhaps or perhaps not a little
fatter educated better...wordly? depends on your view, and neither you nor
I are 16, 18, 20 or even 30...damnit...
Is there a history of using 16 year olds on foreign combat missions? Of
course.
Is this our preference? Likely not.
If we had to? Probably...
Do we have to address retention in both the PRes and the PF...yes, I think
so...sadly, if the Cadet movement has to pay some cost for this...well,
dumb as it sounds, the CF does not deny "dual citizenship" on the issue...
How do you get 20-25 year olds to jump through the hoops to be Sgts, what
with the courses you must take? And handling the civilian jobs, versus
military lack of employment? vice taking courses only when offered?
I don‘t see easy or obvious answers that create a "win-win" for the Cadets
and Reserves...though they must b there.
Nor do I see where declining a 16 year olds application for
employment..consider Matt Bondy on this Board...gains either the P Res, the
PF, or the Cadet Corps any great gain...If the individual has what it
takes...why not take them?
Philisophical, I know...but otherwise, absolute rules, with no consideration
are "Philistine"....
Quite willing to discuss...
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Edwards"
To:
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards
> Well, again I am guilty of trying to talk from personal, outdated
> experience. The 16 year old of today is not the same as the 16 year old of
> 1959. I can‘t recall what year it was first raised to 17, but I noticed a
> general increase in the quality of PRes soldiers and how difficult it
> immediatly became to recruit them but other variables may have influenced
> my view.
> However, there must be a difference in a platoon of some 16 year old‘s and
> some older recruits/trained soldiers and a platoon of just 16 year olds.
The
> presence of large number of older solders must have both a good and a bad
> effect on the qualities exhibited by the younger ones. Around 1960, to
show
> you how wrong it was, a former cadet with Cadet Leader Instructor I
think
> completion could be made an automatic Corporal now section commander
upon
> entry. That was sure wrong, even though many good NCOs entered that way.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Campbell
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards
>
>
> > I can verify that. I spent last summer as a Basic Recruit Training
Section
> > Commander in Sunny Meaford. In my Section I had around five or six
> Recruits
> > who were 16. Personally I found very little difference between them and
> > Recruits who were older. It had more to do with their maturity which I
> have
> > found to be independent of age.
> >
> > Prior to last summer I know this surprised my Recruiting NCO at my Unit
so
> > much that he had to get confirmation from higher that we were allowed to
> > recruit 16 year olds.
> >
> > ----------
> > Tom Campbell
> > from Work
> >
> > TomCampbell@canada.com
> > ICQ - i can‘t remember right now
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Posted by "Pte Sean" <private_sean@budweiser.com> on 28 Feb 2001 18:52:08 -0000
I think the main isssue that has to be looked at is can a 16 year old do the job that is required? Some of them probably can. So why keep them out if they can do the job?
Likewise, some of them arent prepared, either physically or mentally, to do it. Obviously, you have to devise a way for those who can, to get in, while those who cant, dont. Is a system like that not already in place? Personally, I would have no objection to a bunch of 16 year olds being in my regiment. if they are capable of doing what‘s asked of them, great, let them in, the more the merrier. On the other hand, if the recruiting standards start to go down to accomodate the kids, well I think most of us would have a problem with that. But hey, if they can do the job, I really dont think age is a factor.
On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:40:21 -0500 Gow wrote:
>Tempus Edax Rerum Time Destroys All Things
>
>I can understand the CF‘s need to offer recruiting at age 16, versus 17. I
>joined at 16 myself.
>
>Of course, other than in a pre Recruit Platoon, your were ever, ever, in a
>platoon of 16 year olds, in fact once you were in a trained platoon, the 17
>year old was the minority...because you could not get through the training
>in a year...
>
>And, talking with several CF PRes friends and associates, they almost need
>that extra year to have a chance at the 16 year old Recruit being able to
>get the time to take the training, what with National/"Area" courses that
>used to be taught at "District"/Unit level...witness the litany from the
>younger guys and girls that want to join, but must go through the paper
>cycle...
>
>As for a 16 year old in 1959, 1970, or 2001, physiologically they are quite
>the same...maybe a little bigger, and perhaps or perhaps not a little
>fatter educated better...wordly? depends on your view, and neither you nor
>I are 16, 18, 20 or even 30...damnit...
>
>Is there a history of using 16 year olds on foreign combat missions? Of
>course.
>
>Is this our preference? Likely not.
>
>If we had to? Probably...
>
>Do we have to address retention in both the PRes and the PF...yes, I think
>so...sadly, if the Cadet movement has to pay some cost for this...well,
>dumb as it sounds, the CF does not deny "dual citizenship" on the issue...
>
>How do you get 20-25 year olds to jump through the hoops to be Sgts, what
>with the courses you must take? And handling the civilian jobs, versus
>military lack of employment? vice taking courses only when offered?
>
>I don‘t see easy or obvious answers that create a "win-win" for the Cadets
>and Reserves...though they must b there.
>
>Nor do I see where declining a 16 year olds application for
>employment..consider Matt Bondy on this Board...gains either the P Res, the
>PF, or the Cadet Corps any great gain...If the individual has what it
>takes...why not take them?
>
>Philisophical, I know...but otherwise, absolute rules, with no consideration
>are "Philistine"....
>
>Quite willing to discuss...
>
>John
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Posted by "Ian Edwards" <iedwards@home.com> on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:21:42 -0700
Being a local Zone Chairman for the Army Cadet League I have mixed emotions
about the 16 year old question.
I suppose it‘s no longer a question but now DND regulations, so those of us
at the lower level in the Cadet Movement should just get over it and do the
best we can with what we have left. Too bad, so sad. And I say "have left"
because, certainly, cadet corps lose senior cadets to the PRes just when
they are able to pay the Movement back for their training. Ask a 16 or 17
year old who is in both the cadets and in the Pres, "would you rather attend
a cadet weekend exercise for the leadership practice, good of your corps, or
attend a PRes unit trg. weekend for the good of your regiment and get paid
for it?" Not always, but most often the answer is that money talks. I also
think that many former cadets become disallusioned with the PRes faster than
those straight off the street, but I have no stats to back that up.
When I was referring to the changes in 16 year olds from the days of yore to
now I was not referring to physical strength I leave that to the medical
field and others to determine if there really is any difference - there were
couch potatoes in my day too. The world of the "teen" has changed over the
years, far more complex, introverted and faster paced for sure. What effect
that has had on the ability to "soldier" and what changes there really have
been in soldiering, it likely has had some, I am not in a position to
provide other than anecdotal evidence and I really don‘t think any of us are
expert enough and had continuous experience enough to really say how
"things" have changed in that regard over the years.
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards
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Posted by "Adam Wainwright" <ajmw@home.com> on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:33:22 -0800
Ian your points are entirely true, I‘m an WO1CWO in air cadets and I
joined because the army cadets didn‘t want any more recruits. Air is looked
better than navy, but from a perspective of a senior cadet. Now I am
spending 3 nights a week training cadets in subject that don‘t interest me.
Many of my friends in army cadets are in the same boat. Pres certainly a
new different environment and you are allowed to do many things that cadets
aren‘t. You are afforded new responsibilities cadets are kids and they are
treated as such.
Leading to a question I have, could anyone give me some info about the
different regiments in and around Vancouver and there phase I‘ve heard that
they are either offensive or defensive I‘m not to sure about what to do
from now if anyone could offer some help or advice I‘d being pleased to
listen, if anyone needs cadet expertise then rocket a question my way.
Tri-annual contributor
LURKER!
-Adam
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Behalf Of Ian Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:22 PM
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards
Being a local Zone Chairman for the Army Cadet League I have mixed emotions
about the 16 year old question.
I suppose it‘s no longer a question but now DND regulations, so those of us
at the lower level in the Cadet Movement should just get over it and do the
best we can with what we have left. Too bad, so sad. And I say "have left"
because, certainly, cadet corps lose senior cadets to the PRes just when
they are able to pay the Movement back for their training. Ask a 16 or 17
year old who is in both the cadets and in the Pres, "would you rather attend
a cadet weekend exercise for the leadership practice, good of your corps, or
attend a PRes unit trg. weekend for the good of your regiment and get paid
for it?" Not always, but most often the answer is that money talks. I also
think that many former cadets become disallusioned with the PRes faster than
those straight off the street, but I have no stats to back that up.
When I was referring to the changes in 16 year olds from the days of yore to
now I was not referring to physical strength I leave that to the medical
field and others to determine if there really is any difference - there were
couch potatoes in my day too. The world of the "teen" has changed over the
years, far more complex, introverted and faster paced for sure. What effect
that has had on the ability to "soldier" and what changes there really have
been in soldiering, it likely has had some, I am not in a position to
provide other than anecdotal evidence and I really don‘t think any of us are
expert enough and had continuous experience enough to really say how
"things" have changed in that regard over the years.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gow
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards
> Tempus Edax Rerum Time Destroys All Things .... snip.....
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:14:55 EST
Adam,
Hey bud. I think if the Cadet Organisation was run more strictly, and
Officers weren‘t worried so much about yelling parents and acting on those
fearsNot that those fears aren‘t unfounded! I‘ve heard my share of angry
moms! the Movement would be a great place to be, as opposed to being a good
place to be. There‘s room for improvement, or so think I.
Personally, I think that if the Cadet Movement in general, and more
specifically my former corps was run more strictly, with no place for
delinquents, I‘d probably rather continue to be a Snr NCO in Cadets than join
the militia, simply because I‘d like to hone my leadership skills. I was good
at my job, but not as good as I could‘ve been. Moreover, I disagreed with my
seniors‘ decisions so strongly, I felt after some attemps to negotiate, that
I‘d better serve in the militia rather than just be a thorn in the side of
the Corps ‘Staff‘ just because ‘Bondy wants to be a hardass‘.or so they
said.
Just wanted to let you know what a lad in the discussed position thought.
Sorry for intrusion!
Money, Ian, I don‘t think holds quite as much for teens as many think.
Really, if you give it a good go, you CAN find a job. And for sure one that‘s
easier than being a reservist.
But, what do I know?.?.
Adam, Pte Sean is a reservist in BC and is currently serving with the
Westminsters. He‘s probably be able to give you a hand with the units.
My $0.02, nothing more.
-Matt
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Posted by "Adam Wainwright" <ajmw@home.com> on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:38:10 -0800
Matt,
I seem to have run into a similar problem as you have. This is what has
sparked my interest the militia. Yes, the Canadian Cadet Movement is a
great program. But its really gone down hill discipline wise from when I
started 6 years ago. I also have huge problems with my ‘staff‘ they are
looking for a kind gentle RSM rather then one who the mention of his name
makes the hair on the back of ones neck stand up. I‘m trying to
diplomatic...its tough I‘m not to practiced at the art some of the issues
I‘ve raised on the list. No intrusion at all love to hear your opinion. I
wouldn‘t join the reserves for money, anyone who join the forces looking for
money is a fool even I, an air cadet knows that.
-Adam
Units in Vancouver anyone???
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Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:15 PM
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
Adam,
Hey bud. I think if the Cadet Organisation was run more strictly,
and
Officers weren‘t worried so much about yelling parents and acting on those
fearsNot that those fears aren‘t unfounded! I‘ve heard my share of angry
moms! the Movement would be a great place to be, as opposed to being a good
place to be. There‘s room for improvement, or so think I.
Personally, I think that if the Cadet Movement in general, and more
specifically my former corps was run more strictly, with no place for
delinquents, I‘d probably rather continue to be a Snr NCO in Cadets than
join
the militia, simply because I‘d like to hone my leadership skills. I was
good
at my job, but not as good as I could‘ve been. Moreover, I disagreed with my
seniors‘ decisions so strongly, I felt after some attemps to negotiate, that
I‘d better serve in the militia rather than just be a thorn in the side of
the Corps ‘Staff‘ just because ‘Bondy wants to be a hardass‘.or so they
said.
Just wanted to let you know what a lad in the discussed position
thought.
Sorry for intrusion!
Money, Ian, I don‘t think holds quite as much for teens as many think.
Really, if you give it a good go, you CAN find a job. And for sure one
that‘s
easier than being a reservist.
But, what do I know?.?.
Adam, Pte Sean is a reservist in BC and is currently serving with
the
Westminsters. He‘s probably be able to give you a hand with the units.
My $0.02, nothing more.
-Matt
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Posted by "Ian Edwards" <iedwards@home.com> on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:40:34 -0700
I‘m glad you have the maturity to realize the truth. I also hope you have
the maturity realize that the aim of cadets is to foster in youth the
attributes of good citizenship, leadership, physical fitness as well as an
interest in the CF. To some extent, the subjects being taught are just a
means to achieve that aim. To many teens the term good citizehsip is a
rather nebulous concept. I certainly don‘t think that Army Cadets is any
better or worse than the Air or Sea cadets, and that all corps and squadrons
have years of ups and downs in relative efficiency ditto for PRes units. I
suggest that you approach your CIC Training Officer and see if you can be
employed more to understudying the role of a TrgO and/or being utilized to
help the cadet MCpls in your cadet squadron become more proficient in their
instructional and leadership tasks, as that is the major role of an RSM or
the equivalent in the other services.
I mentioned that former cadets tend to drop out quite quickly in the PRes
just my prediction, I‘ve not seen any stats. They soon realize that they
are not going to get to play all the time with all the toys they expected,
while those without cadet experience are challenged longer with the more
elementary levels of training. Now, before I get jumped on, I hasten to add
that with maturity soldiers realize that mundane tasks, paper pushing, and
the other less glamorous tasks need to be done for the good of the whole and
I don‘t really mean to be perjoritive when I say ‘toys‘ as I am referring to
expensive weapons and limited ammunition, weapons systems, etc. etc.
training gear. And I‘m sure that "hurry up and wait" is still the slogan of
all armies of today as it was in the time of Caesar a PPCLI Major in the
time of Bob Childs.
Oh, and while I am on the subject. Today, while volunteering at the LEdmnR
Museum, I took a phone call from a women who asked where and when her son
could go "to join cadets." I asked her how old was her son. "Seventeen 17"
was her answer. My response was to direct her towards the PRes, but that is
not the point. What does her question tell members of this bulletin
board????
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Wainwright
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
> Ian your points are entirely true, I‘m an WO1CWO in air cadets and I
> joined because the army cadets didn‘t want any more recruits. Air is
looked
> better than navy, but from a perspective of a senior cadet. Now I am
> spending 3 nights a week training cadets in subject that don‘t interest
me.
> Many of my friends in army cadets are in the same boat. Pres certainly a
> new different environment and you are allowed to do many things that
cadets
> aren‘t. You are afforded new responsibilities cadets are kids and they
are
> treated as such.
> Leading to a question I have, could anyone give me some info about the
> different regiments in and around Vancouver and there phase I‘ve heard
that
> they are either offensive or defensive I‘m not to sure about what to do
> from now if anyone could offer some help or advice I‘d being pleased to
> listen, if anyone needs cadet expertise then rocket a question my way.
>
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Posted by "Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:46:31 -0500
British Columbia Regiment...recce unit
The Seaforth Highlanders...infantry
Stands to reason the Service Corps will be there, too.
Or you could just phone CFRC and ask...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Wainwright"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:38 PM
Subject: RE: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
> Matt,
> I seem to have run into a similar problem as you have. This is what has
> sparked my interest the militia. Yes, the Canadian Cadet Movement is a
> great program. But its really gone down hill discipline wise from when
I
> started 6 years ago. I also have huge problems with my ‘staff‘ they are
> looking for a kind gentle RSM rather then one who the mention of his name
> makes the hair on the back of ones neck stand up. I‘m trying to
> diplomatic...its tough I‘m not to practiced at the art some of the issues
> I‘ve raised on the list. No intrusion at all love to hear your opinion.
I
> wouldn‘t join the reserves for money, anyone who join the forces looking
for
> money is a fool even I, an air cadet knows that.
>
> -Adam
>
> Units in Vancouver anyone???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-army-list@CdnArmy.ca [mailtowner-army-list@CdnArmy.ca]On
> Behalf Of Juno847627709@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:15 PM
> To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
> Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
>
>
> Adam,
> Hey bud. I think if the Cadet Organisation was run more strictly,
> and
> Officers weren‘t worried so much about yelling parents and acting on those
> fearsNot that those fears aren‘t unfounded! I‘ve heard my share of angry
> moms! the Movement would be a great place to be, as opposed to being a
good
> place to be. There‘s room for improvement, or so think I.
> Personally, I think that if the Cadet Movement in general, and more
> specifically my former corps was run more strictly, with no place for
> delinquents, I‘d probably rather continue to be a Snr NCO in Cadets than
> join
> the militia, simply because I‘d like to hone my leadership skills. I was
> good
> at my job, but not as good as I could‘ve been. Moreover, I disagreed with
my
> seniors‘ decisions so strongly, I felt after some attemps to negotiate,
that
> I‘d better serve in the militia rather than just be a thorn in the side of
> the Corps ‘Staff‘ just because ‘Bondy wants to be a hardass‘.or so they
> said.
> Just wanted to let you know what a lad in the discussed position
> thought.
> Sorry for intrusion!
> Money, Ian, I don‘t think holds quite as much for teens as many think.
> Really, if you give it a good go, you CAN find a job. And for sure one
> that‘s
> easier than being a reservist.
> But, what do I know?.?.
> Adam, Pte Sean is a reservist in BC and is currently serving with
> the
> Westminsters. He‘s probably be able to give you a hand with the units.
> My $0.02, nothing more.
> -Matt
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Posted by "Pte Sean" <private_sean@budweiser.com> on 1 Mar 2001 02:43:55 -0000
I‘m not sure what exactly you mean by "phase", Adam, but I am going to go ahead and assume that you are asking what we are specifically doing this year. If I have misinterpreted, I appologize.
This year, our brigade has been doing FIBUA, which has been a ton of fun. My regimentWesties did an exercise on Vancouver Island, then in an abandoned building at the woodlands mental institute in New Westminster, and most recently at Regensburg at Fort Lewis in washington state.
As for next year, I believe we are doing patrolling.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:33:22 -0800 Adam Wainwright wrote:
>Ian your points are entirely true, I‘m an WO1CWO in air cadets and I
>joined because the army cadets didn‘t want any more recruits. Air is looked
>better than navy, but from a perspective of a senior cadet. Now I am
>spending 3 nights a week training cadets in subject that don‘t interest me.
>Many of my friends in army cadets are in the same boat. Pres certainly a
>new different environment and you are allowed to do many things that cadets
>aren‘t. You are afforded new responsibilities cadets are kids and they are
>treated as such.
>Leading to a question I have, could anyone give me some info about the
>different regiments in and around Vancouver and there phase I‘ve heard that
>they are either offensive or defensive I‘m not to sure about what to do
>from now if anyone could offer some help or advice I‘d being pleased to
>listen, if anyone needs cadet expertise then rocket a question my way.
>
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>-Adam
>
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Posted by "Ian Edwards" <iedwards@home.com> on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:50:44 -0700
For many it does, according to many CIC officers I‘ve talked to over the
years. But money is not the motivator for all. In my own cadet corps, when I
was a CO getting to be quite some years ago some of the best senior cadets
turned down money for the challenge/enrichment of continuing in the Cadet
Movement. God knows it‘s far from perfect and I‘ve been a big complainer
about its imperfections.
There was an old expression, that if you have a ‘barrack room lawyer‘ make
him a Lance Cpl and give him some responsibility and see his attitude
change. That‘s just happend to me re the Cadet Movement only in the past
week.
Now I have a duty to work for local improvement. But I can still be the
grumpy old man on Army matters on this net, so watch yourself, John and
others with your typos or the Abbreviation Nazi will get you again.
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Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
Snip...
> Money, Ian, I don‘t think holds quite as much for teens as many think.
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Posted by "Ian Edwards" <iedwards@home.com> on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:02:38 -0700
Matt, do you realize that you‘re starting to think like an old sweat
"discipline has gone downhill...." More likely that just your perspective
has changed Pte. to CWO or that your "horizon" is limited to Vancouver or
snapshots of certain camps in Western Canada and elsewhere that you have
been that you are generalizing about.
It won‘t be many years from now before you will be telling your kids about
walking to school 10 miles uphill both ways and the rest of that cliche.
Trust me.
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Wainwright
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
> Matt,
> I seem to have run into a similar problem as you have. This is what has
> sparked my interest the militia. Yes, the Canadian Cadet Movement is a
> great program. But its really gone down hill discipline wise from when
I
> started 6 years ago. I also have huge problems with my ‘staff‘ they are
> looking for a kind gentle RSM rather then one who the mention of his name
> makes the hair on the back of ones neck stand up. I‘m trying to
> diplomatic...its tough I‘m not to practiced at the art some of the issues
> I‘ve raised on the list. No intrusion at all love to hear your opinion.
I
> wouldn‘t join the reserves for money, anyone who join the forces looking
for
> money is a fool even I, an air cadet knows that.
>
> -Adam
>
> Units in Vancouver anyone???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-army-list@CdnArmy.ca [mailtowner-army-list@CdnArmy.ca]On
> Behalf Of Juno847627709@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:15 PM
> To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
> Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
>
>
> Adam,
> Hey bud. I think if the Cadet Organisation was run more strictly,
> and
> Officers weren‘t worried so much about yelling parents and acting on those
> fearsNot that those fears aren‘t unfounded! I‘ve heard my share of angry
> moms! the Movement would be a great place to be, as opposed to being a
good
> place to be. There‘s room for improvement, or so think I.
> Personally, I think that if the Cadet Movement in general, and more
> specifically my former corps was run more strictly, with no place for
> delinquents, I‘d probably rather continue to be a Snr NCO in Cadets than
> join
> the militia, simply because I‘d like to hone my leadership skills. I was
> good
> at my job, but not as good as I could‘ve been. Moreover, I disagreed with
my
> seniors‘ decisions so strongly, I felt after some attemps to negotiate,
that
> I‘d better serve in the militia rather than just be a thorn in the side of
> the Corps ‘Staff‘ just because ‘Bondy wants to be a hardass‘.or so they
> said.
> Just wanted to let you know what a lad in the discussed position
> thought.
> Sorry for intrusion!
> Money, Ian, I don‘t think holds quite as much for teens as many think.
> Really, if you give it a good go, you CAN find a job. And for sure one
> that‘s
> easier than being a reservist.
> But, what do I know?.?.
> Adam, Pte Sean is a reservist in BC and is currently serving with
> the
> Westminsters. He‘s probably be able to give you a hand with the units.
> My $0.02, nothing more.
> -Matt
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Posted by "Pte Sean" <private_sean@budweiser.com> on 1 Mar 2001 03:06:38 -0000
12 Service BattalionService, duh in richmond
British Columbia RegimentArmored Recce right downtown by Stadium Station
Royal Westminster Regimentinfantry in New West by city hall, b company is in aldergrove
Seaforth Highlanders of Canadainfantry near kitsilano, by the molson brewery
15 feild artilleryartillery in aldergrove
and i believe there is an engineer regiment in north van, 6th feild? i dont know.
All good regiments.. where exactly are you located, Adam?
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:46:31 -0500 Gow wrote:
>British Columbia Regiment...recce unit
>The Seaforth Highlanders...infantry
>Stands to reason the Service Corps will be there, too.
>
>Or you could just phone CFRC and ask...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adam Wainwright"
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:38 PM
>Subject: RE: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
>
>
>> Matt,
>> I seem to have run into a similar problem as you have. This is what has
>> sparked my interest the militia. Yes, the Canadian Cadet Movement is a
>> great program. But its really gone down hill discipline wise from when
>I
>> started 6 years ago. I also have huge problems with my ‘staff‘ they are
>> looking for a kind gentle RSM rather then one who the mention of his name
>> makes the hair on the back of ones neck stand up. I‘m trying to
>> diplomatic...its tough I‘m not to practiced at the art some of the issues
>> I‘ve raised on the list. No intrusion at all love to hear your opinion.
>I
>> wouldn‘t join the reserves for money, anyone who join the forces looking
>for
>> money is a fool even I, an air cadet knows that.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> Units in Vancouver anyone???
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-army-list@CdnArmy.ca [mailtowner-army-list@CdnArmy.ca]On
>> Behalf Of Juno847627709@aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:15 PM
>> To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
>> Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
>>
>>
>> Adam,
>> Hey bud. I think if the Cadet Organisation was run more strictly,
>> and
>> Officers weren‘t worried so much about yelling parents and acting on those
>> fearsNot that those fears aren‘t unfounded! I‘ve heard my share of angry
>> moms! the Movement would be a great place to be, as opposed to being a
>good
>> place to be. There‘s room for improvement, or so think I.
>> Personally, I think that if the Cadet Movement in general, and more
>> specifically my former corps was run more strictly, with no place for
>> delinquents, I‘d probably rather continue to be a Snr NCO in Cadets than
>> join
>> the militia, simply because I‘d like to hone my leadership skills. I was
>> good
>> at my job, but not as good as I could‘ve been. Moreover, I disagreed with
>my
>> seniors‘ decisions so strongly, I felt after some attemps to negotiate,
>that
>> I‘d better serve in the militia rather than just be a thorn in the side of
>> the Corps ‘Staff‘ just because ‘Bondy wants to be a hardass‘.or so they
>> said.
>> Just wanted to let you know what a lad in the discussed position
>> thought.
>> Sorry for intrusion!
>> Money, Ian, I don‘t think holds quite as much for teens as many think.
>> Really, if you give it a good go, you CAN find a job. And for sure one
>> that‘s
>> easier than being a reservist.
>> But, what do I know?.?.
>> Adam, Pte Sean is a reservist in BC and is currently serving with
>> the
>> Westminsters. He‘s probably be able to give you a hand with the units.
>> My $0.02, nothing more.
>> -Matt
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Posted by "David Shih" <shihdc@hotmail.com> on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:50:47 -0330
Units in Vancouver:
12 SVC BN
12 Vancouver Medical Company
15 Field Artillery RCA
6 Field Engineer SQN
Did I miss any??
David
>From: "Gow"
>Reply-To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
>To:
>Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
>Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:46:31 -0500
>
>British Columbia Regiment...recce unit
>The Seaforth Highlanders...infantry
>Stands to reason the Service Corps will be there, too.
>
>Or you could just phone CFRC and ask...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adam Wainwright"
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:38 PM
>Subject: RE: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
>
>
> > Matt,
> > I seem to have run into a similar problem as you have. This is what has
> > sparked my interest the militia. Yes, the Canadian Cadet Movement is a
> > great program. But its really gone down hill discipline wise from
>when
>I
> > started 6 years ago. I also have huge problems with my ‘staff‘ they are
> > looking for a kind gentle RSM rather then one who the mention of his
>name
> > makes the hair on the back of ones neck stand up. I‘m trying to
> > diplomatic...its tough I‘m not to practiced at the art some of the
>issues
> > I‘ve raised on the list. No intrusion at all love to hear your
>opinion.
>I
> > wouldn‘t join the reserves for money, anyone who join the forces looking
>for
> > money is a fool even I, an air cadet knows that.
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> > Units in Vancouver anyone???
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-army-list@CdnArmy.ca [mailtowner-army-list@CdnArmy.ca]On
> > Behalf Of Juno847627709@aol.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:15 PM
> > To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
> > Subject: Re: Recruiting Standards / Vancouver
> >
> >
> > Adam,
> > Hey bud. I think if the Cadet Organisation was run more
>strictly,
> > and
> > Officers weren‘t worried so much about yelling parents and acting on
>those
> > fearsNot that those fears aren‘t unfounded! I‘ve heard my share of
>angry
> > moms! the Movement would be a great place to be, as opposed to being a
>good
> > place to be. There‘s room for improvement, or so think I.
> > Personally, I think that if the Cadet Movement in general, and more
> > specifically my former corps was run more strictly, with no place for
> > delinquents, I‘d probably rather continue to be a Snr NCO in Cadets than
> > join
> > the militia, simply because I‘d like to hone my leadership skills. I was
> > good
> > at my job, but not as good as I could‘ve been. Moreover, I disagreed
>with
>my
> > seniors‘ decisions so strongly, I felt after some attemps to negotiate,
>that
> > I‘d better serve in the militia rather than just be a thorn in the side
>of
> > the Corps ‘Staff‘ just because ‘Bondy wants to be a hardass‘.or so they
> > said.
> > Just wanted to let you know what a lad in the discussed position
> > thought.
> > Sorry for intrusion!
> > Money, Ian, I don‘t think holds quite as much for teens as many
>think.
> > Really, if you give it a good go, you CAN find a job. And for sure one
> > that‘s
> > easier than being a reservist.
> > But, what do I know?.?.
> > Adam, Pte Sean is a reservist in BC and is currently serving
>with
> > the
> > Westminsters. He‘s probably be able to give you a hand with the units.
> > My $0.02, nothing more.
> > -Matt
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Posted by "Justin Bauer" <bauer_a63@hotmail.com> on Thu, 01 Mar 2001 04:02:44 -0000
there is the British Columbia Regimentdcoarmoured recce
Seaforth Highlanders-infantry
12 SVC BN-combat service support
Royal Westminister RegimentWesties-infantry
12 Med Coymedics
a the Signals regiment also in jerico
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