REMF's vs Infantry
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Michael Dorosh
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I'm shaking my head too. What made him think he could get inside the mess without his head gear?
But seriously...he is disciplined enough to face enemy fire, but not enough to tuck his cap into his pocket?
But seriously...he is disciplined enough to face enemy fire, but not enough to tuck his cap into his pocket?
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Reminds me of wandering around in Camp Blackbear in VK.
The chickenshit is the usual Army stuff - what got me was the guys trying to enforce dress regs on the troopies going out on combat patrols (tucking the shirt in).
You know you may be overdoing it when the Padre says to turn down the suck....
The chickenshit is the usual Army stuff - what got me was the guys trying to enforce dress regs on the troopies going out on combat patrols (tucking the shirt in).
You know you may be overdoing it when the Padre says to turn down the suck....
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Amen to that Infanteer. My blood pressure used to go up 20 points just passing through the gate at VK. I have NEVER seen so many Sgt's Majors in one place, with nothing to do. Chickenshit and sillyness were plentiful in that area. I will not comment further on the goings on in that place. I am losing the ability to write without swearing.......
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Holy Christ! That sounds just like Julien during Roto 0! Sounds like some yank soldiers got "Gapped" and "Mugged".
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Exactly what I was thinking. Just wish I could've got a T shirt, although the shirt only served to elevate their shenanigans to cult status. ;D
Sure doesn't sound like the 11 ACR I knew in Fulda. ;D
Just kidding. They had some real good soldiers then, no doubt they still do.
My wife and I spent a few hours on German Autobahns just to go to a "Blackhorse Volksmarch Club" 10km walk, because they had standard German ceramic beer mugs as prizes, and I wanted one for my collection.
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Just kidding. They had some real good soldiers then, no doubt they still do.
My wife and I spent a few hours on German Autobahns just to go to a "Blackhorse Volksmarch Club" 10km walk, because they had standard German ceramic beer mugs as prizes, and I wanted one for my collection.
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My time in Banja Luka and VK mirror Infanteer's experience. Although we were at the gate and expected to do snap VCPs or deal with potential bombers and shooters, it was VITALLY IMPORTANT we did not use the fleece jacket as outerwear. Please don't get me started on what happened when I tried to institute giving the pistol to the team member who was assigned to go to the vehicles to check passes, fill out the register etc. (try bringing a rifle into action if you are standing right beside a vehicle).
Dress and deportment need to be addressed in the context of operational requirements, and minor variations can be taken in stride and addressed without getting into the "full anal jacket" mode.
Dress and deportment need to be addressed in the context of operational requirements, and minor variations can be taken in stride and addressed without getting into the "full anal jacket" mode.
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"Do your tunic up Hicks. Just where do you think you are?"
That, long with a number of "there's a good lad" and a classic demo of bayonet drill makes me an admirer of Colour Sgt Bourne as depicted in Zulu.
I think Barry Sadler called them "Garratroopers." However, there is a certain pride that can be displayed. Soldiers who let their D&D slide and use combat as an excuse can be an indication of other disciplinary problems.
Acorn
That, long with a number of "there's a good lad" and a classic demo of bayonet drill makes me an admirer of Colour Sgt Bourne as depicted in Zulu.
I think Barry Sadler called them "Garratroopers." However, there is a certain pride that can be displayed. Soldiers who let their D&D slide and use combat as an excuse can be an indication of other disciplinary problems.
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I personally know LCol Mike Gibbler, the Battalion Commander who was shot in the leg by that ND in a Stryker vehicle. Mike was the Brigade G3 of Task Force Rakassan when 3 PPCLI served with 187th BCT in Kandahar back in 2002. He is an excellent officer, and it is good to see that he was promoted to command in the U.S. Army.
Knowing Mike as I do, I strongly suspect that he would NOT have been happy about his ND-inflicted wound. Friendly-fire (particularly of that nature) is simply not "Hooahhh".
Man, I bet he is some pissed about that one.....
Knowing Mike as I do, I strongly suspect that he would NOT have been happy about his ND-inflicted wound. Friendly-fire (particularly of that nature) is simply not "Hooahhh".
Man, I bet he is some pissed about that one.....
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Acorn said:
You're quite right - I think this all reflects back to the discussion on drill, dress and deportment and how they relate to discipline.
Love him or hate him, Col David Hackworth has some interesting things to write about how he dealt with a lack of discipline in the battalion he took over in Vietnam. His first step was to start cracking down on all the horseshit like grafitti on helmet covers, not wearing the uniform properly, and not having all one's equipment.
I think the leadership needs to constantly maintain the balance of "non-reg" between "undisiciplined" and adapting and improvising (ie: the soldiers tuck their shirts in for good reasons).
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I don' t know if this is particularly apt, as people tend to confuse the movie-version Patton with the real life Patton, but I thought there was some connection between Patton's immediate enforcement of dress regulations in the US II Corps after Kasserine, and improved combat performance.
Not solely, naturally. Fredendall spent much of his time dynamiting a huge bunker for himself in the side of a mountain while his corps was poorly deployed and I'm sure Patton's tactical planning at El Guettar was of more import than his admonition to wear neckties, leggings and steel helmets.
Jacking someone up for the way he wears his shirt on a combat patrol is obviously stupid. I don't think asking him to tuck it in, do up the pockets, or roll the sleeves once he is off the patrol should represent a hardship.
I see Britney is looking in; I think I can even hear him furiously typing...
Not solely, naturally. Fredendall spent much of his time dynamiting a huge bunker for himself in the side of a mountain while his corps was poorly deployed and I'm sure Patton's tactical planning at El Guettar was of more import than his admonition to wear neckties, leggings and steel helmets.
Jacking someone up for the way he wears his shirt on a combat patrol is obviously stupid. I don't think asking him to tuck it in, do up the pockets, or roll the sleeves once he is off the patrol should represent a hardship.
I see Britney is looking in; I think I can even hear him furiously typing...
