Replacing the Subs

[Czech_pivo]

So if a contract is signed say late 2025 early 2026 what's IOC? 2031? It seems like Korea builds and tests for delivery at approx a 5 year timeline.

And I'd propose, as of now, to name that first sub - HMCS Not Fifty-One

 

[shiska]

And I'd propose, as of now, to name that first sub - HMCS Not Fifty-One

Name them the "freedom" class

HMCS Sovereign
HMCS Dominion
HMCS Independent
HMCS True North
HMCS Confederation

Etc...

 

[Nvlgzr]

And I'd propose, as of now, to name that first sub - HMCS Not Fifty-One

HMCS Canada
HMCS We aren’t for sale
HMCS We don’t bully our friends ….

 

[QV]

HMCS Post Nation State
HMCS Carbon tax
HMCS 1.3%
HMCS IDictator Oil edit: J'l'huile de dictateur
HMCS Tariffs for me but not for thee

 

[MilEME09]

And I'd propose, as of now, to name that first sub - HMCS Not Fifty-One

I thought of calling it the Incheon-class, since the battle of Incheon was the biggest naval action we took part in during the korean war

 

[Czech_pivo]

I thought of calling it the Incheon-class, since the battle of Incheon was the biggest naval action we took part in during the korean war

That would be a wonderful tip of the hat to the SK’s if we did that.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

I thought of calling it the Incheon-class, since the battle of Incheon was the biggest naval action we took part in during the korean war

Or Kapyong? It also has a Canadian and South Korean connection.

Edit: To add context.

 

[MilEME09]

Or Kapyong?

That was purely a land battle where as Incheon had a significant amount of naval action as well

 

[OldSolduer]

That was purely a land battle where as Incheon had a significant amount of naval action as well

You are correct sir.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Maybe reuse the names of the RCN ships involved: Cayuga, Athabaskan, Sioux, Nootka, Huron, Iroquois, Crusader, Haida.

 

[YZT580]

Maybe reuse the names of the RCN ships involved: Cayuga, Athabaskan, Sioux, Nootka, Huron, Iroquois, Crusader, Haida.

Is Haida available?

 

[Rainbow1910]

The "Tribal" namesakes were specifically rejected for use on the CSC program due to the wide variety of issues that comes with trying to encompass such a diverse and historically sensitive into a comprehensive class. If we didn't use them on largest and most capable surface combatant class in the history of the RCN, the submarines will similarly miss such an opportunity as well.

Regarding naming the CPSP, there is some historical precedent to look at.

All of the submarines from WWI through to WWII were numerical and alphabetical combinations, not really suitable for our modern sensibilities. Our Oberon class (Ojibwa, Okanagan & Onondaga) all have indigenous names which we've established is likely a no go. We had a pair of US loaned submarines (Rainbow and Grilse) throughout the 60's and 70's, which I think is one of the best options regarding a namesake for the CPSP.

HMCS Rainbow was the second warship Canada ever commissioned in its history, so it is a vessel worthy of being the class namesake. I am partial to the theme of naming vessels after fish, likely from across Canada if they use that. There is countless possible options, so I'll leave it to the imagination of folks to pick some appropriate sounding options. There is some potentially great names (Steelhead, Sockeye, Pike, etc) but quite a few options.

There was many, many different naming schemes floated for the Victoria class before they threw up their hands and named yet another class of ships after towns/cities. Explorers, ports, battles, bodies of water/watersheds, marine mammals/fish, indigenous leaders, etc.

 

[lenaitch]

I am partial to the theme of naming vessels after fish, likely from across Canada if they use that. There is countless possible options, so I'll leave it to the imagination of folks to pick some appropriate sounding options. There is some potentially great names (Steelhead, Sockeye, Pike, etc) but quite a few options.

Flounder?

 

[calculus]

HMCS Post Nation State
HMCS Carbon tax
HMCS 1.3%
HMCS IDictator Oil edit: J'l'huile de dictateur
HMCS Tariffs for me but not for thee

HMCS Biden
HMCS Harris
HMCS

Noah seems to be right from what I can gather, the CPSP is looking like it will end up being a repeat of the P-8 Poseidon procurement. If Germany is so flush with current customers and future customers are seemingly lining up down the street, I do not see much point in trying to elbow our way into a crowded room and trying to get our voice heard.

We would be seemingly the largest and second client for the South Koreans, our order is even going to dwarf their own domestic counterpart. I like German submarines but given how they seem to be treating this program, I don't think they are fundamentally as serious about this as the Koreans. We are making a gigantic purchase here and deserve to be treated with some degree of respect, we aren't some lackey from SEA or the Middle East looking for a handful of small submarines.

I have heard similar "rumours" about an earlier announcement, possibly to coincide with the NATO summit in June. However, I have also heard that the current government, for political and strategic reasons, favours a European sub. Personally, I like the Korean subs myself, but choosing a sub from a NATO country does make a lot of sense, not only for technical and logistical reasons, but also for the goodwill it will generate within NATO.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Flounder?

HMCS Catfish.....

 

[Czech_pivo]

HMCS Biden
HMCS Harris
HMCS

I have heard similar "rumours" about an earlier announcement, possibly to coincide with the NATO summit in June. However, I have also heard that the current government, for political and strategic reasons, favours a European sub. Personally, I like the Korean subs myself, but choosing a sub from a NATO country does make a lot of sense, not only for technical and logistical reasons, but also for the goodwill it will generate within NATO.

We will never get the 12 subs in time if we buy German subs - it will be a disaster for us.

 

[MilEME09]

We will never get the 12 subs in time if we buy German subs - it will be a disaster for us.

Not to mention, with the sabotage we have seen the past month of German warships, I don't trust the German port security. One fire and bam our sub is a write off

 

[Rainbow1910]

Flounder?

Sucker, Chub, Chubsucker, Hog Sucker, Minnow and Mummichog are great choices.

I have heard similar "rumours" about an earlier announcement, possibly to coincide with the NATO summit in June. However, I have also heard that the current government, for political and strategic reasons, favours a European sub. Personally, I like the Korean subs myself, but choosing a sub from a NATO country does make a lot of sense, not only for technical and logistical reasons, but also for the goodwill it will generate within NATO.

I have heard exactly the opposite, that there is a large Korean slant especially with some of the ITB packages we are being offered. Topshee personally touring both Korean yards publicly but seemingly not doing the same for any European yards seems pretty obvious. The Europeans realistically either have sub-par vessels, sub-par builders or not enough yard space to fulfill our orders, so I find the potential preference rather moot myself. NATO should be happy of force expansions, regardless of who is it purchased from.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The "Tribal" namesakes were specifically rejected for use on the CSC program due to the wide variety of issues that comes with trying to encompass such a diverse and historically sensitive into a comprehensive class. If we didn't use them on largest and most capable surface combatant class in the history of the RCN, the submarines will similarly miss such an opportunity as well.

Regarding naming the CPSP, there is some historical precedent to look at.

All of the submarines from WWI through to WWII were numerical and alphabetical combinations, not really suitable for our modern sensibilities. Our Oberon class (Ojibwa, Okanagan & Onondaga) all have indigenous names which we've established is likely a no go. We had a pair of US loaned submarines (Rainbow and Grilse) throughout the 60's and 70's, which I think is one of the best options regarding a namesake for the CPSP.

HMCS Rainbow was the second warship Canada ever commissioned in its history, so it is a vessel worthy of being the class namesake. I am partial to the theme of naming vessels after fish, likely from across Canada if they use that. There is countless possible options, so I'll leave it to the imagination of folks to pick some appropriate sounding options. There is some potentially great names (Steelhead, Sockeye, Pike, etc) but quite a few options.

There was many, many different naming schemes floated for the Victoria class before they threw up their hands and named yet another class of ships after towns/cities. Explorers, ports, battles, bodies of water/watersheds, marine mammals/fish, indigenous leaders, etc.

I will disagree with the assessment that it is to fraught with difficulties. I suspect it requires just a bit to much work for some people, who are to lazy or cowardly to do it. Many of the tribes/bands are proud of their warrior past and would love to be associated with a new and powerful class of warships. Put the right people in place to do the consultations and you will get a lot of support and competition for the use of their name.

 

[OldSolduer]

Name them the "freedom" class

HMCS Sovereign
HMCS Dominion
HMCS Independent
HMCS True North
HMCS Confederation

Etc...

This. Is . Great.

But some groups will have issues with it.