Replacing the Subs

[Fishbone Jones]

It's a fine Canadian tradition; Sir John A started it.

https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/pacific-scandal

"Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build bridges even when there are no rivers."

Nikita Khrushchev

Still doesn't change the fact that our government is dysfunctional on a global scale.

 

[HavokFour]

An exciting development.

Korea, Canada form landmark security and defense cooperation partnership - The Korea Times

GYEONGJU, North Gyeongsang Province — President Lee Jae Myung and Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney announced a landmark road map to deepen bilat...

www.koreatimes.co.kr

 

[PrairieFella]

It provides us with a significant amount of sovereign and stealthy strike capabilities that no other Canadian platform can boast.

A few dozen nuclear warheads on those cruise missiles should do the trick to smarten up some of the more belligerent neighbours

(Or piss off the Russkis royally)

 

[Lumber]

Still doesn't change the fact that our government is dysfunctional on a global scale.

Then you must not read much about how 'well functioning' most other nations are. Canada has its issues, but we're a well oiled machine compared to most of the world's governments.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Here’s some machine oil …

 

[Colin Parkinson]

An exciting development.

Korea, Canada form landmark security and defense cooperation partnership - The Korea Times

GYEONGJU, North Gyeongsang Province — President Lee Jae Myung and Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney announced a landmark road map to deepen bilat...

www.koreatimes.co.kr

People might forget that relationship was bought in blood, many, many years ago.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I don't think the Korean have ever forgotten, just like the Dutch still remember.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I don't think the Korean have ever forgotten, just like the Dutch still remember.

Koreans mostly no, but Canadians mostly yes. Germany is like: "Canada fought in Korea?"

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Germans haven't fought anyone since their last little disaster, nor have they really paid attention to who is fighting where. So what did you expect?

P.S.: The Germans don't usually like it when Canadians are the ones they are fighting.

 

[OldSolduer]

I'm staring into a crystal ball:

The current government will fall due to a successful non confidence vote. Sub purchase will be placed on hold. The LPC will blame the CPC for no submarines.

Next election the CPC are in a minority government situation and start the negotiations for new subs. The LPC in opposition will decry the purchase as being too war like and want the purchase scuttled.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I'm staring into a crystal ball:

The current government will fall due to a successful non confidence vote. Sub purchase will be placed on hold. The LPC will blame the CPC for no submarines.

Next election the CPC are in a minority government situation and start the negotiations for new subs. The LPC in opposition will decry the purchase as being too war like and want the purchase scuttled.

I hope you are dead wrong.

 

[OldSolduer]

I hope you are dead wrong.

So do I, but knowing what the LPC has done in the past does not make me very optimistic.

 

[calculus]

So do I, but knowing what the LPC has done in the past does not make me very optimistic.

Except for one thing: Poilievre is sinking amongst Canadians, and he's probably going to want to prop this government up if he expects to stay in power beyond Tuesday.

Mark Carney leads Pierre Poilievre in net favourability by 58 points

Prime Minister Mark Carney leads Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre in net favourability by 58 points.

cultmtl.com

 

[Underway]

I'm staring into a crystal ball:

The current government will fall due to a successful non confidence vote. Sub purchase will be placed on hold. The LPC will blame the CPC for no submarines.

Next election the CPC are in a minority government situation and start the negotiations for new subs. The LPC in opposition will decry the purchase as being too war like and want the purchase scuttled.

Can you give me a quote where someone (in the last 30 years) actually voted that "the purchase was to war like?"

I get they would proritize social spending (Trudeau plural) or cost cutting (Harper, Cretien) etc... but aside from the Bloc (who vote against Canada) and the NDP (who generally have the peacniks though there is an undercurrent of "protect the state" in their caucus because you know... communism) and perhaps some irrelevant backbenchers in the LPC who will do what they are told, I can't recall anyone of substance actually going against something because it was "to war like".

That feels like either overblowing one irrelevant politicians tweets or a zombie lie (something that was true but isn't true anymore and keeps coming back to life but now is wrong).

And if the CPC cut the subs, then they are actually the ones to blame, so of course the LPC should blame them. Because they did the cutting.

Harper was the CAF's worst enemy after 2008 despite starting strong in reversing come Cretien damage. Trudeau continued the direction. The last pro military government before the current one, that was actually promilitary in actions was Mulrony. in the 1980s!!


Here's my prediction. The military industrial complex that is slowly being created within Canada, particularly around shipbuilding will continue no matter who is in government, especially if Davie is included. That will survive successive minority gov'ts. Including the submarines. Because that contract will be in place before the minority government falls.

 

[Kirkhill]

Can you give me a quote where someone (in the last 30 years) actually voted that "the purchase was to war like?"

I get they would proritize social spending (Trudeau plural) or cost cutting (Harper, Cretien) etc... but aside from the Bloc (who vote against Canada) and the NDP (who generally have the peacniks though there is an undercurrent of "protect the state" in their caucus because you know... communism) and perhaps some irrelevant backbenchers in the LPC who will do what they are told, I can't recall anyone of substance actually going against something because it was "to war like".

That feels like either overblowing one irrelevant politicians tweets or a zombie lie (something that was true but isn't true anymore and keeps coming back to life but now is wrong).

And if the CPC cut the subs, then they are actually the ones to blame, so of course the LPC should blame them. Because they did the cutting.

Harper was the CAF's worst enemy after 2008 despite starting strong in reversing come Cretien damage. Trudeau continued the direction. The last pro military government before the current one, that was actually promilitary in actions was Mulrony. in the 1980s!!


Here's my prediction. The military industrial complex that is slowly being created within Canada, particularly around shipbuilding will continue no matter who is in government, especially if Davie is included. That will survive successive minority gov'ts. Including the submarines. Because that contract will be in place before the minority government falls.

Harper was your worst enemy after 2011. When your GOFOs started ignoring orders to reorganize.

Harper's Minister of Defence, Peter MacKay, explicitly hired a Chief of Transformation, to reconfigure DND.
There was resistance to the recommendations. Feet were dragged.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Harper was your worst enemy after 2011. When your GOFOs started ignoring orders to reorganize.

Harper's Minister of Defence, Peter MacKay, explicitly hired a Chief of Transformation, to reconfigure DND.
There was resistance to the recommendations. Feet were dragged.

Andrew Leslie?

 

[Kirkhill]

Andrew Leslie?

Yes. Alzheimers....