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Replacing the Subs

Prairie canuck said:
I would surmise the Trump Government has increasingly cashed in it's Influence chips around the world. If the technology developed is not "made in America" and is proprietary to South Korea and Canada then it's not for the US to say if it can be built and used.
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You are correct, but since SK sought and obtained the US's assent, then it means they are planning on using American nuclear technology.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
You are correct, but since SK sought and obtained the US's assent, then it means they are planning on using American nuclear technology.
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They are building them in Philly, so using a US yard to build a foreign warship, let alone a nuc sub, would be enough to obtain the US's permission.
 
That would be for the "whole ship" no matter whether it is nuclear or not. The press releases are quite clear that this is the second time only that the US has authorized the transfer of nuclear technology for submarine propulsion, the first one being the UK. So it is the nuclear plant tech that is authorised here, and it will be US tech.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
That would be for the "whole ship" no matter whether it is nuclear or not. The press releases are quite clear that this is the second time only that the US has authorized the transfer of nuclear technology for submarine propulsion, the first one being the UK. So it is the nuclear plant tech that is authorised here, and it will be US tech.
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makes a lot of sense. Why re-invent the wheel and go through the pains of trying to develop a new technology when there is one available that has been proven reliable over decades of use
 
YZT580 said:
makes a lot of sense. Why re-invent the wheel and go through the pains of trying to develop a new technology when there is one available that has been proven reliable over decades of use
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Because the owners of that technology have sway over how it is used and deployed. Spend the time and money to co-develop with South Korea and tell the other guy to go pound sand.
 
Czech_pivo said:
If the SK's build nuc boats, I'm going out on a limb and will predict that Japan will be next up and then the Germans. Who will be left to produce us a conventional sub in 25yrs? The Swedes? The Spanish? India? It very well could be that the entire western market of conventional subs will be dried up and gone 25yrs from now.
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Surprise. Buy a lottery ticket next week.

 
HavokFour said:
Surprise. Buy a lottery ticket next week.

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With great power competition comes great weapon proliferation. Japan is also oddly in competition with Korea, so to keep up with each other in the region then that's where they need to go.

Also Japan and Korea are looking at their geostrategic location. If China shuts down the South China sea, and Russia is an unreliable partner for the arctic route, then Japan and Korea need to be able to go around the first island chain and take the deep sea route to ensure their energy and resources still make it from Europe/Middle East etc...

Which means they need very long range, very long endurance submarines.
 
Underway said:
With great power competition comes great weapon proliferation. Japan is also oddly in competition with Korea, so to keep up with each other in the region then that's where they need to go.

Also Japan and Korea are looking at their geostrategic location. If China shuts down the South China sea, and Russia is an unreliable partner for the arctic route, then Japan and Korea need to be able to go around the first island chain and take the deep sea route to ensure their energy and resources still make it from Europe/Middle East etc...

Which means they need very long range, very long endurance submarines.
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Underway said:
With great power competition comes great weapon proliferation. Japan is also oddly in competition with Korea, so to keep up with each other in the region then that's where they need to go.

Also Japan and Korea are looking at their geostrategic location. If China shuts down the South China sea, and Russia is an unreliable partner for the arctic route, then Japan and Korea need to be able to go around the first island chain and take the deep sea route to ensure their energy and resources still make it from Europe/Middle East etc...

Which means they need very long range, very long endurance submarines.
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Is that kind of like a certain country that needs to go all the way around the Aleutian Island chain and Alaska just to be able to reach the western approaches of its own Arctic route?
 
Thoughts on the old Saint John shipyard becoming the EC maintenance yard for the subs?
If not, is there enough space/brownfield land on Halifax Harbour to create one? What will it do to housing costs/availability if Halifax is chosen?
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
Do you think that the Koreans could see eye to eye with the Irving's on "running" a shipyard?
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Well the SK are no strangers to high level corruption, so I think they will be able to work together. But if Irving wants to boost about their shipbuilding abilities, the SK will pat them on their head like small children who are too boastful.
 
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