Replacing the Subs

[Kirkhill]

If that's all it can do then yes. But a sub that can sink ships is far far more useful in general.

As I understand the KSSIII can do both. No?

 

[PHughes]

As I understand the KSSIII can do both. No?

Only if survives

Bigger boat, built with magnetic steel, no stealth hull shaping, older AIP system . . . a bigger target

 

[Retired AF Guy]

The Korean Hyunmoo 4-4 SLBM has a maximum range of approximately 500 km so Tomahawks is the winner

Anyone know if is in the CPSP Req list?

The KS-III B2 also carries the Haeseong-III SLCM that has a range of 1500 km, but is launched from the torpedo tubes. But who know, it could be modified to launch from the VLS?

Edit: change "may" to "could."

 

[PHughes]

Topshee gets a Mike Drop.

https://www.nsnews.com/national-news/navy-commander-insists-canada-should-buy-unmodified-submarines-11480044#:~:text=PRESS%2FAdrian%20Wyld-,OTTAWA%20%E2%80%94%20Vice%2DAdmiral%20Angus%20Topshee%20said%20he%20has%20made%20it,design%2C%E2%80%9D%20Topshee%20said%20Wednesday.

 

[HavokFour]

Inching ever closer.

Hanwha Ocean signs MOU with PCL Construction for CPSP

Hanwha Ocean signs a MOU with PCL Construction for cooperation on infrastructure development for the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project.

canadiandefencereview.com

 

[ytz]

The Americans are signing on to help the Koreans build nukes.

US-South Korea nuclear submarine deal: What does it mean? - BBC News

The agreement comes amid a period of growing geopolitical tensions on the Korean Peninsula.

www.bbc.com

 

[Rainbow1910]

Streit um U-Boot-Deals - Grätsche aus London

Der deutsche Rüstungskonzern TKMS hofft auf Mega-Deals: Kanada will zwölf neue U-Boote kaufen, auch Polen will seine Flotte erneuern. Nun sorgt die Positionierung der britischen Regierung nach Informationen von WDR und NDR für Unmut in Berlin.

www.tagesschau.de

TKMS is seemingly unhappy with the British Government for putting their support behind Saab and Hanwha for the Polish and Canadian submarine replacement competitions respectively, as Babcock (British company) is involved with both bids. It seems this unhappiness has soured to the point that the German Chancellor and Defence Minister have repeatedly complained directly to London and the British Prime Minister.

Sour grapes it would seem coming from the Germans.

The German arms company TKMS is hoping for mega deals: Canada wants to buy twelve new submarines, and Poland also wants to renew its fleet. Now, according to information from WDR and NDR, the positioning of the British government is causing displeasure in Berlin. According to information from WDR and NDR, there is now a threat of some trouble and a disturbance from a surprising direction: The British government is apparently taking the side of TKMS's competitors in both potential submarine orders. A development that is making waves.

According to research by WDR and NDR, even Chancellor Friedrich Merz (CDU) and Defense Minister Boris Pistorius (SPD) became active last week and filed a complaint in London. It is mainly about the Canadian submarine project: Canada wants to modernize its submarine fleet. The current ships of the "Victoria" class are getting on in years, which is why, as the government in Ottawa announced in July last year, it wants to purchase up to twelve new submarines.

At the end of October, the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Economic Forum took place in Gyeongju, South Korea. At a non-public appearance in front of several hundred participants, the British ambassador in Seoul, Colin Crooks, is said to have made a surprising announcement, according to South Korean media: "The British government will soon express its support for Hanwha in the Canadian submarine project." Hanwha Ocean-HD Hyundai Heavy Industries is a South Korean submarine manufacturer and TKMS' direct competitor in the proposed deal with Canada.

Within the federal government, the positioning of Great Britain is currently causing some resentment, as WDR and NDR learned from government circles. There is growing concern that Germany could possibly come away empty-handed in the Canadian submarine deal.

According to information from WDR and NDR, Chancellor Merz is said to have even called British Prime Minister Keir Starmer last week and expressed his astonishment at the British government's attitude in this matter. "I ask for your understanding that we cannot report on any confidential telephone calls or conversations," the Chancellery said when asked.

Pistorius is also said to have picked up the phone and complained to his British counterpart. Here, too, reference is made to confidentiality. The British Embassy in Berlin left an inquiry unanswered.

Economic interests could play a role in London's support for the South Koreans: The Canadian branch of the British arms company Babcock, previously tasked with repairing and overhauling the current Canadian submarines, announced a close strategic partnership with the South Korean company Hanwha as recently as September. It is possible that Babcock would also benefit if Canada buys its submarines in South Korea.

Meanwhile, the British government is apparently also siding with the competitors of German arms companies in another upcoming submarine purchase: Poland also wants to buy new submarines. TKMS is also said to be on the shortlist. However, London is said to have recently assured Swedish competitor Saab of support. Here, too, a cooperation with the British company Babcock would probably be on the cards.

As the Reuters news agency recently reported, the Swedish submissions for the Polish competition are said to have been accompanied by a letter from Prime Minister Starmer explicitly advocating a purchase of the submarines from Saab. A spokesman for the British government did not want to comment to Reuters on the specific matter, but said: "We are making the defence sector an engine for economic growth - creating jobs and boosting the British economy while strengthening our commitment to NATO allies and European security."

 

[PrairieFella]

This is the quote from Topshee that is the real point of things:

God I hope he's the next CDS.

 

[Halifax Tar]

God I hope he's the next CDS.

He was my XO on TOR in the 2006/7 timeframe. I am a big fan, but he defiantly also has his detractors within the RCN.

 

[PrairieFella]

He was my XO on TOR in the 2006/7 timeframe. I am a big fan, but he defiantly also has his detractors within the RCN.

What do his detractors say?

 

[Czech_pivo]

What do his detractors say?

He's too honest.

That's my 2 cents. The guy is too open and honest. Too many people are fearful of those type of people. They bring light and openness to areas where they'd rather have darkness, away from the prying eyes of those who expect work and timelines to be completed in a timely manner.

 

[Halifax Tar]

What do his detractors say?

I think a lot of these people don't understand he has to balance the current and future RCN and growing its people on todays tasks being assigned to it by the Gov of the day. Some people get so deep in their own silos they cant see the bigger picture.

 

[Underway]

His challenge as CDS would be to build the relationships necessary to do the work of the CAF as a whole without breaking things because he doesn't understand "army" for example. He's very very navy. I think CRCN is his first Ottawa job.

 

[Kirkhill]

Does anybody understand army?