Replacing the Subs

[Rainbow1910]

How about a sub plant for the sub contract?

Fundamentally incompatible with the requirements for reliable and speedy delivery of the submarines to cover RCN requirements. Nothing about setting up a submarine production facility in Canada will be cheap, efficient or reliable. Comparing a random South American backwater's attempts at a two boat domestic build to Canadian long term build strategy is not especially worthwhile. Look at Australia and their Swedish domestic submarine production with the Collins class to see the sort of mess that would be in store for Canada.

 

[PrairieFella]

If all of our projects come to fruition, we will have one of the top 5 combat fleets in NATO. Ahead of the UK, thats insane to think about

The Royal Navy rules the waves...no, the other one.

 

[calculus]

TKMS firing back at the Korean's industrial offsets:

Germany’s TKMS advances $12 billion bid to supply 12 Type 212CD patrol submarines to Canada

Germany’s TKMS advances a $12B investment-based bid for Canada’s Canadian Patrol Submarine Project as Ottawa prepares a 2026 decision.

www.armyrecognition.com

 

[Kirkhill]

Fundamentally incompatible with the requirements for reliable and speedy delivery of the submarines to cover RCN requirements. Nothing about setting up a submarine production facility in Canada will be cheap, efficient or reliable. Comparing a random South American backwater's attempts at a two boat domestic build to Canadian long term build strategy is not especially worthwhile. Look at Australia and their Swedish domestic submarine production with the Collins class to see the sort of mess that would be in store for Canada.

"Poland and South Korea have a significant defense partnership, culminating in a major deal signed in August 2025 for 180 K2 Black Panther tanks, worth approximately $6.5 billion, to modernize Poland's military, with local assembly of the upgraded K2PL variant in Poland to boost domestic production, continuing a broader 2022 agreement for Korean hardware like K2 tanks, FA-50 jets, and artillery. This deal includes logistics, training, technology transfer, and support vehicles, with deliveries spanning 2026-2030. "

K2 Tank Arms Deal: Poland’s Rearmament Kicks into Overdrive

The recent $6.7 billion arms agreement between Poland and South Korea marks a major step forward for Warsaw, establishing it as the new center of gravity in European land warfare.

www.geopoliticalmonitor.com

And in Peru....

Peru set to acquire South Korean tanks and APCs - Asian Military Review

In 2025, Peru increased its defence budget by more than 10% and began to modernise its military forces.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

https://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Business/view?articleId=283795

There are other examples of South Korea selling both product today and production means for tomorrow.

I think it might be possible to get both the subs on the committed timeline and to develop our own relevant support and development industries in the long term.

 

[Czech_pivo]

"Poland and South Korea have a significant defense partnership, culminating in a major deal signed in August 2025 for 180 K2 Black Panther tanks, worth approximately $6.5 billion, to modernize Poland's military, with local assembly of the upgraded K2PL variant in Poland to boost domestic production, continuing a broader 2022 agreement for Korean hardware like K2 tanks, FA-50 jets, and artillery. This deal includes logistics, training, technology transfer, and support vehicles, with deliveries spanning 2026-2030. "

K2 Tank Arms Deal: Poland’s Rearmament Kicks into Overdrive

The recent $6.7 billion arms agreement between Poland and South Korea marks a major step forward for Warsaw, establishing it as the new center of gravity in European land warfare.

www.geopoliticalmonitor.com

And in Peru....

Peru set to acquire South Korean tanks and APCs - Asian Military Review

In 2025, Peru increased its defence budget by more than 10% and began to modernise its military forces.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

https://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Business/view?articleId=283795

There are other examples of South Korea selling both product today and production means for tomorrow.

I think it might be possible to get both the subs on the committed timeline and to develop our own relevant support and development industries in the long term.

It would be great to get some sort military equipment production out of this, Lord knows that we need it.

 

[Kirkhill]

With how many countries has south korea signed military production agreements?

AI response.

South Korea has rapidly expanded its defense industrial partnerships and has signed major military production, technology transfer, or joint development agreements with at least 10 to 15 countries in recent years, with a particularly strong push for local production agreements from 2021–2025.
While major arms exports have been made to over 20 states recently, the focus on local production and technology transfer (joint production) has materialized with key partners in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia.

Key Countries with Production/Joint Development Agreements

• Poland: The most significant partner, with massive contracts for K2 tanks, K9 howitzers, and FA-50 aircraft that include technology transfer and local production.
• Egypt: Agreed to co-produce K9 self-propelled howitzers locally.
• United Arab Emirates (UAE): Signed contracts for air defense systems (M-SAM) and joint development of aircraft.
• Saudi Arabia: Signed agreements for air defense systems and joint production/joint ventures for weapons systems.
• Australia: Includes local manufacturing of Hanwha's Redback IFVs (Redback) and K9 howitzers (Huntsman).
• Turkey: Long-term co-development of the T-155 Fırtına (based on K9) and the Altay tank.
• Indonesia: Jointly financing and developing the KF-21 Boramae fighter, plus prior submarine and trainer jet deals.
• Romania: Agreements for local assembly and procurement of K9 howitzers.
• Peru: Agreements for local assembly of KAI trainer aircraft and potential co-production of armored vehicles.
• Norway/Sweden/Estonia/Finland: Various agreements related to localized supply chains for artillery components (modular charge systems) and armored vehicles.

Core Strategy
South Korea's "joint production" strategy is driven by its desire to be a top-four global arms supplier, often offering flexible, faster delivery, and technology transfer (e.g., in Egypt and Poland) that Western suppliers do not. The country is now actively setting up manufacturing facilities in countries like Australia, Egypt, and Poland.

 

[Furniture]

"Poland and South Korea have a significant defense partnership, culminating in a major deal signed in August 2025 for 180 K2 Black Panther tanks, worth approximately $6.5 billion, to modernize Poland's military, with local assembly of the upgraded K2PL variant in Poland to boost domestic production, continuing a broader 2022 agreement for Korean hardware like K2 tanks, FA-50 jets, and artillery. This deal includes logistics, training, technology transfer, and support vehicles, with deliveries spanning 2026-2030. "

K2 Tank Arms Deal: Poland’s Rearmament Kicks into Overdrive

The recent $6.7 billion arms agreement between Poland and South Korea marks a major step forward for Warsaw, establishing it as the new center of gravity in European land warfare.

www.geopoliticalmonitor.com

And in Peru....

Peru set to acquire South Korean tanks and APCs - Asian Military Review

In 2025, Peru increased its defence budget by more than 10% and began to modernise its military forces.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

https://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Business/view?articleId=283795

There are other examples of South Korea selling both product today and production means for tomorrow.

I think it might be possible to get both the subs on the committed timeline and to develop our own relevant support and development industries in the long term.

The level of complexity between a tank and sub is like comparing Lego planes to Cesenas.

A bad weld on a tank might lead to more repairs more often, a bad weld in a sub means the crew dies and the sub is lost.

If the RoK is offering manufacturing, we should be buying their subs for the promise of tanks, K9s and other RoK armoured vehicles being produced in Canada.