My limited understanding of the SOR is that it’s weighted as a jobs program not a weapons program.
Replacing the Subs
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Makes sense to have a SLBM capability already in place if you were to someday decide you want/need a nuclear capability...The VLS has me tilting SK.
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One of the SK subs was scheduled to visit Canada in the next couple of months, wasn't it? Imagine if they sent it over to start training crews right away....? That'd be a stunning tour de force....
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It's clearly a weapons program. But given that both submarines meet the requirements the RCN wants for combat capability then you need other factors to outscore the other guy. It's a tight race.
If the navy was more specific in its requirements then maybe there would more differential between bids based on platform performance. But I think broad requirements were better for this one. As well the service and support portion is a huge part of the bid. It may look only like "jobs" but it's more about capability sustainment and domestic sustainment to keep that combat capability operational.
Not being sarcastic at all: does the navy even know? It has never had a modern fleet of submarines to work with and plan around. The Canadian Navy is entering into a whole new world of possibilities. This is good.
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Even know what? That they need domestic sustainment? That they know how to operate submarines? Not sure what you're driving at.
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The Navy WAS more specific in its requirements. You just haven't seen that list of requirements.
Your second paragraph suggested that the navy wasn't specific enough with respect to operational requirements/platform performance. With no disrespect intended, I suggested that the navy wasn't really certain of what they could get/ask for because they have never been in a position to solicit a modern, capable system. They knew that it needed to be suitable for operating under ice and they knew the endurance they were seeking. Weapon systems and the like varied from boat to boat and since we were ordering off the shelf they sort of left that up to the mfg. to a certain extent. Did they know what to ask for, I suspect that they knew what they wanted but were worried about shutting out a potential supplier by being too specific. Also from a negotiation standpoint it made the mfg. come to them in a constant up-bidding which could end up giving us a whole lot more than the basic 12 hulls. My comment originated from yours.
I just read Lumber's response which more or less negates my entire thought pattern so I will just leave it here as a this is what I was thinking but I am out to lunch in the wrong direction
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No, the navy reviewed all the submarines with their requirements in mind. Took the two that met them. The requirements for operational abilities were specific enough but broad enough. For example they didn't tell anyone how to get the indiscretion rate they wanted (AIP, batteries whatever) just that they wanted a specific number.
That's what I mean by not specific. You don't want to write the requirements such that no one can meet them or you lock out creative solutions to problems for example.
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Or rite requirements in such precise and specific terms that the only system that meets the requirements is the one the brass had decided in advance that it wanted ... because they like the looks or the neighbours had the same. 
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You mean like how the Army specified how a certain artillery piece needed to go at a very certain speed, which effectively took out a few of the main contenders?
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Spent some time in the RCAF?Or rite requirements in such precise and specific terms that the only system that meets the requirements is the one the brass had decided in advance that it wanted ... because they like the looks or the neighbours had the same.
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There were requirements drafted ,studies done, and a table produced. If you are CAF and have DWAN access, it's unclass and you can just search in Teams and you can find the table. They listed 8 or 9 operational requirements on they axis, and compared 6 or 7 different subs along the x axis of the table. The requirements seemed reasonable and actually made sense for what Canada needed, and based on a review of those 6 or 7 subs, it was clear that the Germans and Koreans were the best, if not only, option.
