Replacing the Subs

[Czech_pivo]

They are hooped if this demand is firm:

Canada's $12-billion submarine order needs auto plant in return: Joly

Germany and South Korea are in the running; Hyundai says it won't build a plant, but Germany seems open to it

driving.ca

Bad news if we go with the Germans - their timelines will kills us.

 

[ytz]

Bad news if we go with the Germans - their timelines will kills us.

It's hard to tell if Joly is just doing the bad cop part of a routine or she's actually imposing a hard requirement which is supported by cabinet. I think the ambiguity is purposeful.

 

[YZT580]

It's hard to tell if Joly is just doing the bad cop part of a routine or she's actually imposing a hard requirement which is supported by cabinet. I think the ambiguity is purposeful.

Until there is another government south of the border there is no market for Korean cars made in Canada. We can't hope to absorb all the output. Be better to agree on an assembly line for tanks. Goodness knows there will be enough GM/Stellantis plants available the way Trump is going

 

[SeaKingTacco]

It's hard to tell if Joly is just doing the bad cop part of a routine or she's actually imposing a hard requirement which is supported by cabinet. I think the ambiguity is purposeful.

She is, honestly, becoming a menace.

I am all for a defence industrial strategy.

I am not for trading off defence outputs in exchange for pork barrel politics.

 

[Good2Golf]

I don't accept this. Pretty much most of Europe and the US use defence spending first as job creation and prioritize capability. It's ridiculous to always expect Canada to be the boyscout on policy like this.

And I say this as someone who is entirely sympathetic to the Koreans. Treating a $60B order as nothing but a standard arms export deal is poor form on their part. Especially knowing the situation Canada is in.

I think you misinterpreted my point, which was exactly that you make. Canada’s position is aiming for a duality of prosperity and capability. My post was to counter the plaintive sentiment of a small group in Korea referred to in Kirkhill’s post.

It's hard to tell if Joly is just doing the bad cop part of a routine or she's actually imposing a hard requirement which is supported by cabinet. I think the ambiguity is purposeful.

She’s not imposing anything. She’s a messenger and a less and less important one at that, as Carney positions members of Team Trudeau for the final cull. I suspect she’ll be gone with some Diplo graft and we won’t have to see her vacuously fronting others’ ideas and direction.

 

[IKnowNothing]

What was said in the speech:
"Fundamentally what we want is a car plant" + lots of verbiage about levering defense spending to catalyze economic investment
vs.

What is being presented as said by the author:
"Canada's 12 billion dollar submarine order needs a car plant in return"
"Canada will have to get a new auto plant in return for buying up to a dozen new submarines from either Germany or South Korea"
"Canada must get a new auto plant if it’s going to sign a contract with either Germany or South Korea to buy up to a dozen new submarines"

Want =/= need.

The quoted elements of the speech don't provide any new information, or support the author's inference and conclusion. Everyone that is paying attention knows that we want to lever this to get a car plant. But it's not like we're going to cancel the project if neither of them ante's up.


The worry remains that it is overweighted, but the speech only reinforces that worry, it doesn't prove it- especially to the degree written.