Replacing the Subs

[Czech_pivo]

or most likely Korea will lend us a submarine and train us in its use. As soon as the first one is ready we'll sail it to Canada and base our training in Canada. There's no appetite to pawn these subs off to the Philippines. Breakers yard or as a museum most likely for at least one.

Target practice?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

We can't get enough bunks for our submariners now, let alone giving up bunks to the Philippine Navy. Also factor in that our subs don't do well in tropical environments as they were built for the North Atlantic and Baltic. Same reason why we didn't sell the Kingston Class to the Philippine Navy.

I suppose I could be dead wrong but I expect they will not be pawned off to anyone else given their spotty history and the reasons above.

I thought we were short submariners?

If we offered them to the Philippines, they might only want them as a training sub and since we have a functioning repair facility already, that training might take place here on the Westcoast. This could only happen if we go KSS-III, if we go 212CD, then the Vic's will have used up any life in them by the time the Germans get us more than 2 subs.

 

[YZT580]

If we go Korean, likley the first sub stays in Korea and the crews trains there cycling in and out. And when the 2nd is launched, the first sails to Esquimalt, the transition of the submarine repair facility likley starts as soon as the first boat is launched, with the first boat back in Canada, the Victoria's are decommissioned or transferred to another navy.

The Philippine Navy is looking to acquire subs, who knows they might take the Vics as a interim training sub and train here in the west Coast and then move onto a new platform later.

sell them back to the British. They seem to be running out of boats.

 

[Stoker]

I thought we were short submariners?

If we offered them to the Philippines, they might only want them as a training sub and since we have a functioning repair facility already, that training might take place here on the Westcoast. This could only happen if we go KSS-III, if we go 212CD, then the Vic's will have used up any life in them by the time the Germans get us more than 2 subs.

Not short in the sense we have too many for the boats we have operational and trying to train.

As mentioned before they probably won't be offered even as static training boats to the Philippines. Are you cook up a another reason to give then to them?

 

[Retired AF Guy]

I believe:
1. Hanwah owns or is acquiring the Philly Naval Shipbuilding yard;
2. The Trump Admin agreed last year to assist South Korea with developing their own SMNR for marine usage;

The writing is on the wall for a Hanwah subsidiary to build nuclear submarines in the United States.

They’ll probably have that up and in production before the first AUKUS boat is in the water.

It is kind of confusing because Hanwah officials have stated that they can build build nuclear submarines at the Philly Shipyards, but most analysts think it is unlikely for a variety of reasons. The following article by the USNI I think covers the bases:

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2026/january/why-us-and-south-korea-will-not-jointly-construct-nuclear

 

[MilEME09]

Unless they buy up one of the really small yards, the former St. Johns site makes the most sense on the east coast. West coast is have a harder time figuring out where they would build

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Not short in the sense we have too many for the boats we have operational and trying to train.

As mentioned before they probably won't be offered even as static training boats to the Philippines. Are you cook up a another reason to give then to them?

The Philippines is actively looking at subs. But costs and actually having a trained sub crew takes time, the Philippines may also have to wait in line for their sub, even if they can allocate money to them. Then there is the training arc. If the Philippines sent us some Officers now, they would have enough experience to command their own subs when the time comes. The Koreans can deliver us subs pretty dam quick and the Vic's will have a bit of life in them. As I said, if we go German, then we are going to need the Vic's for quite some time yet.

We are not the only navy able to train them, but might be a good way to build links with a growing navy in a region important to us.

The Philippines is actively pursuing its first submarine acquisition under the "Re-Horizon 3" modernization program to bolster external defense and territorial rights amid rising South China Sea tensions. The navy is evaluating options, likely including French Scorpène-class or South Korean submarines, seeking to establish a deterrent capability.
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Key Aspects of the Pursuit

• Strategic Rationale: Shifting from internal security to maritime defense, particularly focusing on the West Philippine Sea.
• Key Contenders: Leading options include the Naval Group's Scorpène-class (France) and variants from HD Hyundai Heavy Industries or Hanwha Ocean (South Korea).
• Timeline: The acquisition is planned under the updated Horizon 3 modernization, aiming for completion or significant progress by 2028-2030.
• Challenges: High maintenance costs, need for specialized infrastructure, and training needs are being evaluated, with suppliers expected to provide training and base facilities.
• Support & Logistics: HD Hyundai Heavy Industries has noted that utilizing their, or other, previous partners could assist with system integration and logistical support.
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The submarine project is considered essential for protecting maritime sovereignty, with some reports suggesting a focus on "sea denial" capabilities.

 

[Stoker]

The Philippines is actively looking at subs. But costs and actually having a trained sub crew takes time, the Philippines may also have to wait in line for their sub, even if they can allocate money to them. Then there is the training arc. If the Philippines sent us some Officers now, they would have enough experience to command their own subs when the time comes. The Koreans can deliver us subs pretty dam quick and the Vic's will have a bit of life in them. As I said, if we go German, then we are going to need the Vic's for quite some time yet.

We are not the only navy able to train them, but might be a good way to build links with a growing navy in a region important to us.

The Philippines is actively pursuing its first submarine acquisition under the "Re-Horizon 3" modernization program to bolster external defense and territorial rights amid rising South China Sea tensions. The navy is evaluating options, likely including French Scorpène-class or South Korean submarines, seeking to establish a deterrent capability.
Business Insider +2
Key Aspects of the Pursuit

• Strategic Rationale: Shifting from internal security to maritime defense, particularly focusing on the West Philippine Sea.
• Key Contenders: Leading options include the Naval Group's Scorpène-class (France) and variants from HD Hyundai Heavy Industries or Hanwha Ocean (South Korea).
• Timeline: The acquisition is planned under the updated Horizon 3 modernization, aiming for completion or significant progress by 2028-2030.
• Challenges: High maintenance costs, need for specialized infrastructure, and training needs are being evaluated, with suppliers expected to provide training and base facilities.
• Support & Logistics: HD Hyundai Heavy Industries has noted that utilizing their, or other, previous partners could assist with system integration and logistical support.
  Reddit +6

The submarine project is considered essential for protecting maritime sovereignty, with some reports suggesting a focus on "sea denial" capabilities.

Well they may have to follow their submarine aspirations without us.

 

[YZT580]

The Philippines is actively looking at subs. But costs and actually having a trained sub crew takes time, the Philippines may also have to wait in line for their sub, even if they can allocate money to them. Then there is the training arc. If the Philippines sent us some Officers now, they would have enough experience to command their own subs when the time comes. The Koreans can deliver us subs pretty dam quick and the Vic's will have a bit of life in them. As I said, if we go German, then we are going to need the Vic's for quite some time yet.

We are not the only navy able to train them, but might be a good way to build links with a growing navy in a region important to us.

The Philippines is actively pursuing its first submarine acquisition under the "Re-Horizon 3" modernization program to bolster external defense and territorial rights amid rising South China Sea tensions. The navy is evaluating options, likely including French Scorpène-class or South Korean submarines, seeking to establish a deterrent capability.
Business Insider +2
Key Aspects of the Pursuit

• Strategic Rationale: Shifting from internal security to maritime defense, particularly focusing on the West Philippine Sea.
• Key Contenders: Leading options include the Naval Group's Scorpène-class (France) and variants from HD Hyundai Heavy Industries or Hanwha Ocean (South Korea).
• Timeline: The acquisition is planned under the updated Horizon 3 modernization, aiming for completion or significant progress by 2028-2030.
• Challenges: High maintenance costs, need for specialized infrastructure, and training needs are being evaluated, with suppliers expected to provide training and base facilities.
• Support & Logistics: HD Hyundai Heavy Industries has noted that utilizing their, or other, previous partners could assist with system integration and logistical support.
  Reddit +6

The submarine project is considered essential for protecting maritime sovereignty, with some reports suggesting a focus on "sea denial" capabilities.

Would they still consider us their friends after taking possession of the Vic's. I know we have spent a lot of money on them but would they end up as more curse than blessing

 

[Halifax Tar]

sell them back to the British. They seem to be running out of boats.

Please do this.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Please do this.

No chance of them being given to the Ukrainians? I realise that they won't be able to enter the Black Sea at this time but would there be any merit of them acquiring them?

 

[Halifax Tar]

No chance of them being given to the Ukrainians? I realise that they won't be able to enter the Black Sea at this time but would there be any merit of them acquiring them?

They don't deserve that kind of hate.

 

[OldSolduer]

Please do this.

I recall that one of our sailors died while transiting the Atlantic on those subs.
Unacceptable

 

[Halifax Tar]

I recall that one of our sailors died while transiting the Atlantic on those subs.
Unacceptable

LT(N) Chris Saunders

I was in STJ then, Norman was the old man, and made it from St Johns to Faslane in 3 days to assist Chicoutimi. Was a very long month.