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I'm thinking there must be serious talks about a "split" contract, but perhaps an uneven split (something like 8 and 4). The Carney government is very interested in developing strong ties with both Europe (and Germany in particular), as well as SK. Apparently the Navy's objections have become more muted to this suggestion in recent months.
I don't think anyone on this forum would be surprised, especially given the drama with the fighters...
I don't think anyone on this forum would be surprised, especially given the drama with the fighters...
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No, not surprised.
And I will probably be hanged for heresy here, but split fleets are not as hard to manage in the Navy as in the Air Force. Sometimes, we even manage fleets of one or two.
And I will probably be hanged for heresy here, but split fleets are not as hard to manage in the Navy as in the Air Force. Sometimes, we even manage fleets of one or two.
And at the risk of compounding the heresy, assuming there we buy the full 12, could a split fleet also not make some sense. The vertical launch capability of the SK boats might be a valuable strategic asset but not one that we need for a all 12 boats or for patrolling our own approaches?
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Well...if you went with a split fleet you should at least get 8 and 8. That way you could have a quiet sub-hunter and a missile boat active on each coast at all times.
I wonder if you could talk Hanwha and TKMS into having a shared maintenance facility on each coast? If they teamed up they would dominate the conventional submarine market.
I wonder if you could talk Hanwha and TKMS into having a shared maintenance facility on each coast? If they teamed up they would dominate the conventional submarine market.
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The Navy might also just be quite because the decision of one or the other may have long been made already, as it's been rumored over the last couple weeks.
We'll know in the next week or two.
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A split submarine fleet is not going to happen, multiple officials including the Prime Minister have confirmed this. So much of the value in these bids is tied up in their associated content, that same content is going to largely disappear if one company doesn’t win the bid. TKMS has already stated recently that their bid would basically lose all of its appeal if a split fleet was chosen.
The fighter review isn’t remotely comparable to the submarine procurement, the sheer amount of industrial offsets and bonuses are on a different level. That’s not even getting into the logistical burdens this will place on the Navy for effectively no reason. Any kind of split doesn’t make sense and I would be entirely blindsided if this option is exercised.
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Well then the obvious solution would be to get all 12 x KS III's...
...and all 12 x Type 212CD's. See? Now everyone is happy and our boots are filled with industrial offsets!
Now our next purchase will have to be a bunch of these to
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Why is Able Seaman Bloggin missing from roll call again?
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Not sure how feasible that is.
The German I oats are made from ‘non-metallic’ metal and the SK are not. Thought that I read or was informed that they ‘can’t be in the same facility.
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I think you mean "non-magnetic" metals.
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It is true that when fabricating components using certain types and grades of metals, there must be very strict material control procedures implemented to keep the 'wrong' kinds of materials out of the facility.
I have encountered such facilities used for the fabrication of parts for the nuclear industry.
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I will never say never, we have gotten Sams spade shovel, Ross Rifle, Arrow Cancelled, CF-5, Iltis, LSVW, Cyclone and TAPV to name a few contracts that went awry for mainly political reasons. If someone can make to Cabinet a compelling political argument, regardless of what the CAF wants, then it is a strong possibility of it happening.
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Mark Friday in your calendars.
I'm afraid @calculus is correct but hopeful they are not. Split fleet isn't the end of the world, lots of countries do it with smaller or similar sized sub forces (Turkey, Italy, Korea).
But it just doesn't seem ideal and like @Rainbow1910 stated it means both bids loose a lot of their value overall. And the bids were for the full contract, not half the contract. Messy.
I'm afraid @calculus is correct but hopeful they are not. Split fleet isn't the end of the world, lots of countries do it with smaller or similar sized sub forces (Turkey, Italy, Korea).
But it just doesn't seem ideal and like @Rainbow1910 stated it means both bids loose a lot of their value overall. And the bids were for the full contract, not half the contract. Messy.
I wouldn't want to bet my pension on Calculus being wrong but there are other apples for us to pick in Europe such as tanks, 6th gen. a/c development and you make the most pressing reason for going with just one: what in those packages do you want to give up because both are contingent on the full deal
