Replacing the Subs

[SeaKingTacco]

One thing I hope for, if it is germany, with doubt about timeline, I hope the contract has a penalty for delay clause. Hit them with significant penalties for each month of a delay

Mmmm….the Maritime Helicopter Project Office would like a word about that…

 

[MilEME09]

Mmmm….the Maritime Helicopter Project Office would like a word about that…

I would ask them, but they seem busy having been open almost 20 years

 

[YZT580]

TKMS has said deliveries by 2032,2033,2035,2036 for first boats.

when does boat 5 arrive? 2040? 'cause there are a lot of other orders to resolve.

 

[Czech_pivo]

when does boat 5 arrive? 2040? 'cause there are a lot of other orders to resolve.

Not sure but they are in the process of starting a 2nd production facility. Not aware of the timelines of when boats will start rolling off the 2nd line.

Noah's comments on this.

TKMS Continues Quest to Expand Production

Noah Note

www.truenorthstrategicreview.ca

EDIT: Please note that any timelines around delivery that Noah discusses is 6 months old and should be treated with caution.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Its started.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/submarines-germany-canada-norway-south-korea-9.7259709

EDIT:

Its official - TKMS

 

[calculus]

I think the likelihood of a Gripen purchase has gone down substantially with this announcement, giving Europe a big win.

I predict an announcement that LM will get the remaining 88.

 

[Czech_pivo]

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Winner - no one

Honourable mention - me

 

[AvroArrow92]

I think the likelihood of a Gripen purchase has gone down substantially with this announcement, giving Europe a big win.

I predict an announcement that LM will get the remaining 88.

I think it’s the exact opposite, this might be the sign the PMO is going full euro, nato, and tech transfer. TKMS was offering a lot more of that than the Koreans. Time will tell though.

 

[MilEME09]

listening to the announcement, interesting that the PM emphasized, and called out that if negotiations dont go the way Canada want's, we reserve the right to turn around and go to the koreans instead. Keeping the door open that the TKMS team cant mess around.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Carney just said - 4 subs by 2034 - that's a mistake or did something happen to move up the delivery dates?

 

[Rainbow1910]

listening to the announcement, interesting that the PM emphasized, and called out that if negotiations dont go the way Canada want's, we reserve the right to turn around and go to the koreans instead. Keeping the door open that the TKMS team cant mess around.

This is standard procurement stuff, just like how we kept Saab on the backburner even after they lost to Lockheed Martin.

I think it’s the exact opposite, this might be the sign the PMO is going full euro, nato, and tech transfer. TKMS was offering a lot more of that than the Koreans. Time will tell though.

From what we have seen in the public sphere, both bids were very comparable in what they offered. I don't think TKMS had an advantage over the Koreans, atleast for what was spoken about in public.

Carney just said - 4 subs by 2034 - that's a mistake or did something happen to move up the delivery dates?

Not sure who told him that but that's laughable given the situation the Germans and Norwegians are dealing with, sounds like we're getting taken for a ride Saab style.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Carney just said - 4 subs by 2034 - that's a mistake or did something happen to move up the delivery dates?

Had the same thoughts

 

[Czech_pivo]

Not sure who told him that but that's laughable given the situation the Germans and Norwegians are dealing with, sounds like we're getting taken for a ride Saab style.

Remember that TKMS is standing up Wismar for 2nd fully functional production line - I've got no clue on the timelines but they have been very open about that need.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Wikipedia just got updated.

Type 212CD submarine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Czech_pivo]

The RCN and the RNN? (Royal Norwegian Navy) will have alot of 'plug and play' in the future. Both will have the Type 26 and now the Type 212CD. That's alot of overlap.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Just emphasized again “up to 12” and 4 subs 2034

 

[MilEME09]

This is standard procurement stuff, just like how we kept Saab on the backburner even after they lost to Lockheed Martin.

Yes but its been awhile since ive seen it specifically called out. Almost as if it was a warning to TKMS

 

[HavokFour]

Remember that TKMS is standing up Wismar for 2nd fully functional production line - I've got no clue on the timelines but they have been very open about that need.

There was also an MOU signed in April that could see TKMS submarines built in Spain.

Germany's TKMS, Spain's Navantia to explore strategic cooperation

Warship makers TKMS and Spain's state-owned Navantia have signed a memorandum of understanding to explore cooperation on ‌naval projects, including the potential production of TKMS submarine designs at Navantia's shipyards in Spain, the companies said on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Ganon91]

Ok, I not a big fan of that timeline. Also why does it seems that they're already trying to cut down the number.

'Sigh' I'm not trying to be one of those people that goes auto 'liberals don't do anything to actually help the arm forces' but this is not picturing a good image of them.

 

[HavokFour]

Ok, I not a big fan of that timeline. Also why does it seems that they're already trying to cut down the number.

'Sigh' I'm not trying to be one of those people that goes auto 'liberals don't do anything to actually help the arm forces' but this is not picturing a good image of them.

Well they have about a year to sign a contract by the sounds of it, otherwise it's Hanwha's show.

Perhaps this is a weird way to appease both?