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Rifles Recovered in Afghanistan

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British soldiers of the present recover Martini-Henry rifles lost 128 years ago.Amazing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/soldiers-in-helmand-unearth-british-rifles-lost-in-1880-massacre-842497.html

Soldiers in Helmand unearth British rifles lost in 1880 massacre

Weapons taken after a Victorian defeat in Afghanistan have been recovered – and repatriated as antiques

By Keith Howitt
Sunday, 8 June 2008
British soldiers serving in Afghanistan have recovered weapons looted from the bodies of their Victorian forebears.


Rare Martini-Henry rifles lost in the bloody defeat at Maiwand in July 1880 have been retrieved 128 years later by troops fighting the Taliban and al-Qa'ida in Helmand province.

Two of the rifles, dated 1874 and 1878, are currently on sale in a Sussex antique shop for £1,100 apiece.

Mark Hawkins, co-owner of The Lanes Armoury, Brighton, said: "When we first fought the Afghans, we kept sending out armies who lost. The Afghans killed our chaps and took their weapons.

"Now British officers are finding these guns, recognise them for what they are, and are getting permission to bring them back. We've had a few through. I think a soldier might pick up a couple, keep one as a souvenir of his time in Afghanistan, and bring the other to us."

Peter Smithurst, senior curator of historic firearms at the Royal Armouries Museum, Leeds, said: "The Martini-Henry was the first purpose-made breech-loading rifle introduced into British service. It is an iconic rifle."

The Martini is particularly popular with collectors, he said, because of both its place in the development of firearms technology and for the role it played in the famous battles of Britain's colonial campaigns.

Mr Smithurst said Afghanistan was increasingly a source of antique firearms. "I have been getting quite a few email inquiries from British servicemen and the American forces as well."

Mr Hawkins said: "The Martini-Henry is a very, very collectable gun – almost entirely down to Michael Caine and the film Zulu. Everyone who has seen that film has seen the Martini-Henry and knows it is the rifle used by the British in that era."

Unlike the successful defence of Rorke's Drift in 1879, as featured in Zulu, the battle of Maiwand a year later was one of the worst British defeats of Queen Victoria's 63-year reign. A 2,500-strong Anglo/Indian force was routed by an Afghan army of about 12,000 men.

Among the 1,000 British and Indian dead were 286 men of the Martini-armed 66th (Berkshire) Regiment, who made a last stand in a walled garden in the village of Khig. When only two officers and nine men of the 66th remained alive, they charged the hordes of tribesmen surrounding them.

An Afghan witness described the end: "These men charged from the shelter of a garden and died with their faces to the enemy. So fierce was their charge, and so brave their actions, no Afghan dared approach to cut them down. Standing in the open, back to back, firing steadily, every shot counting, surrounded by thousands, these British soldiers died. It was not until the last man was shot down that the Afghans dared to advance. The behaviour of those last 11 was the wonder of all who saw it."

The weapons they wielded so gallantly could finally be returning home.




 
Two of the rifles, dated 1874 and 1878, are currently on sale in a Sussex antique shop for £1,100 apiece.

Given one aspect of my job in Afghan, all I can say is ...where's my cut?

 
I'm betting there are a few Regiments out there sweating hard right now... "What do you mean these were written off as war losses? The Regiment shall compensate the crown forthwith...."
 
tomahawk6 said:
An Afghan witness described the end: "These men charged from the shelter of a garden and died with their faces to the enemy. So fierce was their charge, and so brave their actions, no Afghan dared approach to cut them down. Standing in the open, back to back, firing steadily, every shot counting, surrounded by thousands, these British soldiers died. It was not until the last man was shot down that the Afghans dared to advance. The behaviour of those last 11 was the wonder of all who saw it."

Kipling kinda predicted this, if any brain cells that hold my grade school lessons have survived a long siege by alcohol:

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains
And the women come out to cut up what remains
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
And go to your god like a soldier
 
Considering the number that got sent back, the fact that a two have shown up in an antique shop at that price would indicate that most of them that are sold at the chogi market are indeed fakes.
 
They were being sold, in extremely good shape, in Kabul for $300US, matching serial numbers and proper markings.

If you knew someone who collected antique weapons you could walk away with a very collectible, still operating weapon with a matched bayonet.

Most were 1875 - 1880 Enfilds IIRC, there were a few Martini-Henry's off and on.

Kandahar's market was a bust, mostly garbage. Enfields engraved with Arabic writing and inlaid bobbles. Neat and literally one of a kind weapons but not worth more than a memento of a tour.

Regards
 
There used to be many Martini-Henries in gun shops and shows for very reasonable prices a few decades ago. I really, really, really regret never having bought one and do not know why I failed to do so - and the same goes for a few other rifles that are much more rare today than then as well.
 
well lets just hope no one's gonna be selling C7s in afghanistan in another hundred years
 
Why not?

We're providing them to the ANA.

I should hope that they have some good surplus and gun shops by 2108.
 
lone bugler said:
well lets just hope no one's gonna be selling C7s in afghanistan in another hundred years
I was told of one (or several, I forget) being sold in an Afghan market quite recently.....
 
Considering the large number of AKs and Ammo being available in Afghanistan, I would say that there probably wouldn't be too many takers for someting like the C7 with it's "odd lot" 5.56 ammunition.
 
Years before joining the Regs, I was involved with a reenactment outfit in Calgary.  It was the 9th Voltigers de Quebec who were stationed in Calgary during the 1885 rebellion.  There were rifles available 20+ years ago in the west for a reasonable amount.  I did fire her down range with reloads.  An experience to be sure.  You could hear the bullet make her way down range and thwack into the target.
 
lone bugler said:
well lets just hope no one's gonna be selling C7s in afghanistan in another hundred years

Just like we used to say about all the abandoned Iraqi weapons: "Never been fired, only dropped once."
 
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