Rise and Fall of the NDP - 2015 - ????

[PuckChaser]

But the CPC seemingly want (under current management) to be that NDP of the right.

Not in the slightest are they that far right. For decades they have allowed their fringe to have a voice and let democracy choose a more centrist direction. The NDP and until recently the LPC gave the levers of policy creation to the far left.

 

[FJAG]

But the CPC seemingly want (under current management) to be that NDP of the right.

Not in the slightest are they that far right. For decades they have allowed their fringe to have a voice and let democracy choose a more centrist direction. The NDP and until recently the LPC gave the levers of policy creation to the far left.

The problem is that the people who make up the inner workings of all political parties are dominated by fringe and special interest groups. They're the ones primarily motivated to get involved to that degree.

Those of us who form the moderate centre are simply to busy working for a living or, unfortunately, simply unmotivated to get heavily involved.

As a result we tend to vote for the least offensive party or the one that lies the best to us and pretends to have our interest at heart. Sometimes we even get tossed a bone.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The problem is that the people who make up the inner workings of all political parties are dominated by fringe and special interest groups. They're the ones primarily motivated to get involved to that degree.

Those of us who form the moderate centre are simply to busy working for a living or, unfortunately, simply unmotivated to get heavily involved.

As a result we tend to vote for the least offensive party or the one that lies the best to us and pretends to have our interest at heart. Sometimes we even get tossed a bone.

Same thing happened to most of the major unions as well.

 

[DBNSG]

But the CPC seemingly want (under current management) to be that NDP of the right.

There is something wonky going on with the Conservatives. I was recently contacted to contribute to the Conservatives but I asked apparently an awkward question. I stated that Katy Telford and Gerry Butts delivered four Liberal Governments and left. Jenny Byrne lost four elections but is still there and I would not contribute until she goes. Stammer, stammer uhhh, well uhhh
Thats a good point, uhhh.

 

[Edward Campbell]

We need to remember that this is Canada's overall political alignment:

 

[RangerRay]

A good article on the left’s failures in the 21st century by a frustrated Democrat. Many examples used from around the world applicable to the Canadian Left.

The Left’s 21st Century Project Has Failed

Time to face the facts.

www.liberalpatriot.com

The 20th century encompassed the era of social democracy followed by an attempt to resurrect the left through the Third Way after that era’s ignominious end. In the 21st century, the left embarked on a new project they hoped would remedy 20thcentury weaknesses and inaugurate a new era of political and governance success. We are now a quarter of the way through the 21st century, which has witnessed both a genuine “crisis of capitalism” (the Great Recession of 2007-09) and the systemic breakdown of the COVID era (2020-22). Enough time has gone by to render a judgement: despite ample opportunity to advance their cause, the left’s 21st century project has failed and failed badly.

Consider:

• It has failed to stop the rise of right populism.
• It has failed to create durable electoral majorities.
• It has failed to achieve broad social hegemony.
• It has failed to retain its working-class base.
• It has failed to promote social order.
• It has failed to practice effective governance.
• It has failed to jump-start rapid economic growth.
• It has failed to generate optimism about the future.

Of course, the project hasn’t been a complete failure. Left parties, including the Democratic Party, have succeeded in building strong basesamong the educated and professional classes and, if they have lacked broad social hegemony, they have generally controlled the commanding heights of cultural production. As a result they have mostly set the terms of “respectable” discourse in elite circles.

But that’s pretty weak beer compared to all those massive failures and the heady aspirations of those who presume to be on “the right side of history.” Most on the left would prefer to believe that the left’s 21st century project is basically sound and just needs a few tweaks. This is whistling past the graveyard. After a quarter century, it is time to face the facts: the project is simply not fit for purpose and needs to be jettisoned.

When we look at what has been distinctive about the left’s 21stcentury project, it is not hard to see why it has not had its desired result. Here are the key strands of the project:

 

[Brad Sallows]

A good article on the left’s failures in the 21st century by a frustrated Democrat. Many examples used from around the world applicable to the Canadian Left.

Ruy Teixeira isn't some common-or-garden frustrated Democrat. He's one of the authors of "The Emerging Democratic Majority". He understands the ground well.

 

[ArmyRick]

A good article on the left’s failures in the 21st century by a frustrated Democrat. Many examples used from around the world applicable to the Canadian Left.

The Left’s 21st Century Project Has Failed

Time to face the facts.

www.liberalpatriot.com

Some quotes from the article I really agree with
"have succeeded in building strong bases among the educated and professional classes and, if they have lacked broad social hegemony, they have generally controlled the commanding heights of cultural production. As a result they have mostly set the terms of “respectable” discourse in elite circles."

Yup, everyone needs to frequently get out of their bubble and see whats going on (I do as well and make an effort to do so frequently)

"Therefore, to oppose mass immigration is to oppose diversity, which can only mean that you are racist and xenophobic. It’s that simple."

Yup, seeing that Canada except now, we can start talk to talk about immigration and only the far left scream nasty names. Hell, even PM MC brought it up on the campaign trail.

"Illegal immigration, and other forms of irregular migration that happen with the authorization of the executive branch, really do hurt Americans by putting strain on public resources, imposing costs on taxpayers, and undermining social cohesion."

Same can be said for Canada

" became a non-negotiable commitment—after all, they were saving the world! As the 21st century unfolded, more and more of left parties’ policy plans centered around combating climate change"

What a idealogical based waste of time, money and resources that has been for us.

"The working class has not been impressed. " No shit.

"Those identities are defined by an intersectional web of oppressed and oppressors, of the powerful and powerless, of the dominant and marginalized. With this approach, an action is judged not by whether it is justified—or an argument by whether it is true—but rather by whether the people advancing it are in the oppressed/powerless/marginalized group or not."

Another example of how we have socially stood on our own dicks and created two standards of behaviour and conduct.

"Perhaps most pernicious: the ideal of equal opportunity has been compromised by commitment to a new ideal of “equity” that strives for equal outcomes."

Jordan Peterson has discussed this many times over and was vilified for it

"and voters stubbornly refuse to endorse the idea that biological sex is just a technicality, the left’s identification with gender ideology has become a massive political liability."

Common sense prevails. A "woman" fighter breaking a "biological" women's jaw is unacceptable, period. I can't believe we have to specify biological woman. I don't call my cat a biological cat or my sheep biological sheep, they simply are what the are. Or how the words are "mom" and "dad" are somehow offensive and exclusionary.

The NDP does not show any signs of getting away from this horse shit, which means they could sink even further, which means Liz May might eventually have a larger party.