ROTP pay after graduation.

[inferno]

Just curious about how the pay scales work for ROTP candidates who graduate from a Civy University...

Base pay for a ROTP 2nd Lt. is 3806$ a month.

Base pay for a DEO 2nd Lt. is 3255$ a month.

Now, are there deductions I can't see for the ROTP Officers.. or do they really get paid a higher salary then DEO officers?

Seems strange to me as a DEO applicant paid ~$60,000 for their education, whereas the ROTP applicants had the Crown pay... yet they get paid more once they get into the working world?

Can someone explain this for me?

 

[SweetNavyJustice]

I am by no means an authority on this, but I would suggest that the reason that an ROTP receives a higher pay is because they have been in the military for "x" number of years while completing their education.  As such, they have completed a certain degree of training, with some summers doing EWAT (Employment While Awaiting Training).  This compared to the DEO individual who is fresh off the street so to speak. 

Again, just a guess on my part.

 

[Wookilar]

It all evens out at Capt anyway. For GSO's, at any rate.

 

[23007]

Here is the pay scale:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dppd/pay/engraph/OfficerRegFPayRate_e.asp?sidesection=3&sidecat=28

 

[Lumber]

I am by no means an authority on this, but I would suggest that the reason that an ROTP receives a higher pay is because they have been in the military for "x" number of years while completing their education.  As such, they have completed a certain degree of training, with some summers doing EWAT (Employment While Awaiting Training).  This compared to the DEO individual who is fresh off the street so to speak. 

Again, just a guess on my part.

That's exactly right. Even though ROTP 2nd LT's were in 'school' for four years, they are still considered CF members for four years and their pay increase reflects that accordingly. Another examply of this is when an NCM reservist who is (I think) a MCpl or higher transfers over to ROTP. Because as a MCpl he makes more than a 1st year OCdt he doesn't switch over to the OCdt pay scale, he keeps his NCM pay until his OCdt or 2LT pay meets or passes his NCM pay. Okay this isnt an exact comparaison, but it does show how our pay system reflects service already commited. You are not going to putforth 4 years of service as an NCM and receive less pay in your 4th, 5th etc. years because you switch to ROTP.

 

[Kid_X]

Here is the pay scale:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dppd/pay/engraph/OfficerRegFPayRate_e.asp?sidesection=3&sidecat=28

Now according to this Pay Table, there are levels A, B, C, etc, what's the difference?  Also, Pilot 2Lt makes more than other 2Lt's, but their ranking does not go up to Brigadier-General.  At the June 3rd enrolment ceremony, I was walking around with my great uncle and an old friend of his came to talk to us, he had started out as a fighter pilot, but was now a Brigadier-General.  Did he have to switch occupations at one point in his career to do this?  And if you switch occupations like that, does it affect your time towards a promotion at all?

 

[Inch]

That's just for the pay scales. Pilots make alot as junior ranks so they can be convinced to stay in. 

The CAS is usually (read almost always) a pilot. And he's a LGen. An air force CDS is usually a pilot, and he's a full General.

If you read the caveat on the pilot pay tables, no one really gets those rates anymore. You must have been enrolled as an OCdt in the Regular force prior to Sept 30th 1998 to be eligible for those tables. For the complete opposite reason to what you stated, pilots are on restricted release for 7 years after getting our wings. Thus, why the need to pay the big bucks when you can't go anywhere anyway?

 

[Crimmsy]

Now according to this Pay Table, there are levels A, B, C, etc, what's the difference? 

From the very bottom of that webpage:

Pay Level:

A - ROTP (former CBI 204.2111 & 204.2151)
B - OCTP-NFS (former CBI 204.2113 & 204.2153)
C - DEO (former CBI 204.2114 & 204.2154)
D - UTP-NCM / OCTP-FS (former CBI 204.2112, 204.21135, 204.2152 & 204.21535)
E - CFR (former CBI 204.212)

 

[Kid_X]

ok, thank you

 

[exsemjingo]

So...
How much does a DEO candidate get paid when they begin training?  Under officer Cadet on the pay scales, there is only A, B, and D, no C.

 

[George Wallace]

So...
How much does a DEO candidate get paid when they begin training?  Under officer Cadet on the pay scales, there is only A, B, and D, no C.

So as a potential Officer Candidate, did you go and look up what A, B, and D meant; and at what rank a DEO Candidate enters as?

 

[exsemjingo]

Don't insult my intelligence.
I just cannot tell which group DEO candidates are most like.  Are they most like ROTP cadets, since both are just starting out?  Or are they more like one of the other classifications for reasons that are not immediately apparent?
I looked for what I know I am on the chart and did not find it, nor did I find any obvious equivalent.  From what I have already learnt around here, it is a bad idea to guess at anything in the army.

 

[George Wallace]

So as not to insult your intelligence, what are you and I can tell you what you are for you.

 

[George Wallace]

So...
How much does a DEO candidate get paid when they begin training?  Under officer Cadet on the pay scales, there is only A, B, and D, no C.

As you really didn't seem to be that interested in this, and I am tired of waiting while you travel around the boards like a chicken with its' head cut off, I just said what the Heck!, I will insult your intelligence!

So you are a potential (aspiring) Officer Candidate, who is trying to come in as a DEO.  I am sure that they told you that you will have a rank of some sort, and that it would 2Lt if you have a Degree already.  DEO is line C, of which there is none for OCdt, because you are not an OCdt, but a 2Lt.  If you look at the Lines for Pay Rates for 2Lt, low and behold you will find an A, a B, a D, and lookit that, a C.  Cripes! There is even an E.

Do you feel a little smarter now?

You'll get paid $3255, $3530, $3806, $4088, $4369, $4650, or $4929 monthly, depending on what Incentive level NDHQ decides to grant you.  There are Basic, and Levels 1 to 6 for 2Lt.  You will rise an Incentive level on each anniversary of Service.

You will do the same thing in every Rank Level.  You don't necessarily have to rise to the highest Incentive Level before promotion.  If you reach the highest Incentive Level and do not get promoted, you will not get a higher rate of pay, unless there is a Pay Raise.  Incentive Levels have nothing to do with Pay Raises.

Do you feel a little bit more smarter now?

If you want to play games, you have come to the right place.  You will be summed up.

 

[exsemjingo]

Why do you bother answering if you have neither the patience to do so, nor the desire to provide useful information?
In the hopes that someone else might answer (otherwise I would send you a personal message, G.W.), which category would a DEO officer cadet fall under? 
I already know that DEO's receive backpay upon completion of training, but the question is how much comes during training?

 

[George Wallace]

Fill your boots.  If my word isn't good enough for you, I'll get on the phone and have the CDS give you a call personally.  :

You should know now that most of us will run away at the first sight of you holding a map and compass.

 

[exsemjingo]

You sir are an inspiration to soldiers of all ranks.

 

[George Wallace]

Why thank you!

 

[Shamrock]

He ain't kidding about the CDS bit, either.

There are times when I'm afraid of just who George Wallace knows.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Don't insult my intelligence.
I just cannot tell which group DEO candidates are most like.  Are they most like ROTP cadets, since both are just starting out?  Or are they more like one of the other classifications for reasons that are not immediately apparent?
I looked for what I know I am on the chart and did not find it, nor did I find any obvious equivalent.  From what I have already learnt around here, it is a bad idea to guess at anything in the army.

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Reply Number 7:

Regarding your pay on entry, I believe all officer files start [at OCdt].  Once the documentation is complete to ascertain other entitlements, such as for DEO, you will be moved to the correct bracket.

Reply Number 8:

For D.E.O. you start out as an Officer Cadet.  After basic training you get promoted to 2nd Lieut and your wages will increase.  That should have been explained to you by CFRC, I know they explained it to me when I picked up an info package.

Simple enough?