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Royal NaVY NCO is First Registered Satanist in British Forces

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From The Scotsman, 23 October 2004

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Navy Technician Becomes Services' First Satanist

By Rachel Williams, PA News


A Royal Navy non-commissioned officer has become the first registered Satanist in the British Armed Forces, it emerged tonight.

Naval technician Chris Cranmer has been officially recognised as a Satanist by the captain of HMS Cumberland, meaning he will be allowed to perform Satanic rituals on board.

He is now reportedly lobbying the Ministry of Defence to make Satanism a registered religion in the Armed Forces, although an MoD spokesman said it was not aware of any approach about the issue.

Ldg Hand Cranmer, 24, is from Edinburgh and has been in the Navy for four years, according to the Sunday Telegraph.

He was promoted leading hand â “ the naval equivalent of corporal â “ in July last year.

He told the paper he realised he was a Satanist nine years ago when he â Å“stumbled acrossâ ? a copy of the Satanic Bible â “ written by Church of Satan founder Anton Szandor LaVey.

â Å“I then read more and more and came to realise I'd always been a Satanist, just simply never knew,â ? he said.

A spokesman for the Royal Navy said: â Å“We are an equal opportunities employer and we don't stop anybody from having their own religious values.

â Å“Chris Cranmer approached his captain and made a request to be registered as a Satanist.

â Å“This involved a formal stand-up approach, made in front of an audience, saying that he wanted to register as a Satanist and to practise his religious beliefs.

â Å“The Royal Navy allows this kind of approach because it is clearly in line with current regulations.

â Å“We are not aware of any other individuals who want to be registered as Satanists.

â Å“Our policy is that, wherever practical, reasonable requests for time and facilities that do not impact on operational effectiveness or the welfare of other personnel, are met.

â Å“The captain said that this decision was entirely up to the individual and that he is a good lad, a good worker on board.â ?

The Church of Satan was established in San Francisco in 1966 and LaVey was its high priest until his death in 1997.

Followers live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include â Å“Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinenceâ ?, â Å“Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheekâ ? and â Å“Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratificationâ ?.

Ldh Hand Cranmer told the newspaper being a Satanist gave him â Å“the freedom of religion I wanted despite its controversial natureâ ?.
 
Well it's a good laugh anyhow.

Imagine having an instructor running your courses who was a satanist.
 
Going up to a captain and asking to be registered as a satanist in front of an audience? wouldn't that be just a bit akward???
 
I couldn't care what religion someone was and whatever their practices are as long as they don't wake me up. 
 
Been doing a bit of reading about The "Church of Satan"

Funny stuff I have to say.
But some of the funniest parts of it are reading about the many myths that the creator of the church used to perpetrate about his own past.
 
gun plumber said:
Well.....
So much for God,Queen and country....

Theoretically, Satan is god to him isn't it? lol, i'm suprised no one's dug up the old satanist thread
 
"Well it's a good laugh anyhow.

Imagine having an instructor running your courses who was a satanist."

A satanist is not a sadist... there's a difference.  So I doubt a course run by a satanist is any different than a course run by a christian or what ever religion.  But a satist.... well that would be just be sadistic. ;D
 
I knew someone was gonna dig up that thread sooner or later >:D
 
I knew someone was gonna dig up that thread sooner or later

I've known the kid for about 9 years, so I had to bring it up.
There seems to be a pattern here........

Christianity is just a hipocritical joke...
http://army.ca/forums/threads/16934/post-75930.html#msg75930

Logistics of Noah's Ark...
http://army.ca/forums/threads/4165/post-40592.html#msg40592

And of course the Satanism Thread...
http://army.ca/forums/threads/16822/post-76382.html#msg76382


Some part of me is saying that he had a fetish for Religion posts >:D...
 
Why am I not surprised?  The American Army recognizes the Wiccan 'faith' and even has military padres trained in its ceremonies.  I wonder... do they work over christmas?
 
Actually Satanism isnt "devil worship" per sae. They believe that the devil and god are "ideals" and dont "actually exist"....really every satanist is overly self centered as the basis of the "religion"(and I use that loosely) is "what can you do for me, and what can I do for me". I dont see how the belief system is conducive to military life as its all about "me" and never about the team, unit, or the common good....maybe thats a massive generalization but my reading on the subject(however limited) leads me to this conclusion. However if he's a good sailor I could care less. You can worship a TV stand as long as you work hard.

As in the Adam Sandler sketch about the cult-

"They say they 'hate the sun'?"
"You say 'Sure whatever F**K the sun!' What do you care, you got a free haircut- your already 10 bucks ahead"
 
Aaron White said:
Actually Satanism isnt "devil worship" per sae. They believe that the devil and god are "ideals" and dont "actually exist"....really every satanist is overly self centered as the basis of the "religion"(and I use that loosely) is "what can you do for me, and what can I do for me". I dont see how the belief system is conducive to military life as its all about "me" and never about the team, unit, or the common good....maybe thats a massive generalization but my reading on the subject(however limited) leads me to this conclusion. However if he's a good sailor I could care less. You can worship a TV stand as long as you work hard.

I was kind of disappointed when I first heard of Satanism a number of years ago and looked into what it actually entails. I think I was secretly hoping for another group of whack jobs to laugh at, but they're much less controversial than they're made out to be. I like to think of them as a group of atheists and agnostics who worship capitalism but call it something else. People just see "Satan" and freak out. It's only a name. If they had made up a name instead of using "Satan" I doubt it would ever have generated any attention at all. If he does his job and it doesn't interfere with the effectiveness of the ship then he can worhip pocket lint for all I care. It's his choice as a member of a free society.
 
Storm said:
I was kind of disappointed when I first heard of Satanism a number of years ago and looked into what it actually entails. I think I was secretly hoping for another group of whack jobs to laugh at, but they're much less controversial than they're made out to be. I like to think of them as a group of atheists and agnostics who worship capitalism but call it something else. People just see "Satan" and freak out. It's only a name. If they had made up a name instead of using "Satan" I doubt it would ever have generated any attention at all. If he does his job and it doesn't interfere with the effectiveness of the ship then he can worhip pocket lint for all I care. It's his choice as a member of a free society.

Satan is only a name?  Yup: http://www.nhl.com/lineups/player/8459534.html  ;D
And no one freaks out at him
 
Worn Out Grunt said:
Why am I not surprised?   The American Army recognizes the Wiccan 'faith' and even has military padres trained in its ceremonies.   I wonder... do they work over christmas?

For the record...Wicca, and Satanism are not the same...not even close, esp' the fact that Wiccans do not believe in a Satan.
Also they ask for no benifit that hasn't been given to other religions in the military over the years.
Bonus is Most Christian holidays are simply renaming of old Pagan holidays anyway.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm#menu1

And re' the military and Wicca (interesting stuff):
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcr6.htm

BTW: this whole thing sounds like one of those "just in time for halloween" stories.

Cheers!
P.
 
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