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Russia signs Europe arms pact suspension into law
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They are trying to re-assert themselves on the world stage but......
This, IMHO, i just electioneering.
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That is the way I see it, because the Russians see that the U.S. is becoming more influential on the former countries of the Soviet Union.CDN Aviator said:
Or Putin just wants to stay in power, and is doing all this stuff to gain more control over the Russian people.
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And on that note, Kasparov: Russian election a farceJBoyd said:
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More on the Russian Front:
Putin may be making a play to stay in power by becoming President of a new country - the Russian-Byelorussian Union. The widespread "rumour" is strongly denied.
Putin eyes full merger with Belarus
The union, to be agreed on this week, could enable Russia's popular president to retain power by creating a new Constitution.
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And the Denial Link
Putin may be making a play to stay in power by becoming President of a new country - the Russian-Byelorussian Union. The widespread "rumour" is strongly denied.
Putin eyes full merger with Belarus
The union, to be agreed on this week, could enable Russia's popular president to retain power by creating a new Constitution.
Article Link
And the Denial Link
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Or maybe he is going to "settle" for the powers of a Canadian Prime Minister.....
Endgame revealed
Guy Faulconbridge, Reuters
Published: Tuesday, December 11, 2007
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Long-time Putin crony Medvedev tapped as presidential successor
Russian President Vladimir Putin .... has chosen Dmitry Medvedev, acting first deputy prime minister, as his favoured candidate to replace him. Medvedev is a lawyer and head of Russian gas giant Gazprom.
Dmitry Medvedev, named by President Vladimir Putin as his preferred successor, said on Tuesday he wanted Putin to become prime minister in a future government to guarantee stability and continuity.
Such a move would offer Mr. Putin a way to retain influence after he steps down as head of state if, as expected, his long-time ally becomes president in an election next March.
Mr. Medvedev, in his first public broadcast since being named by Mr. Putin, was quick to declare his loyalty to his mentor.
"Expressing my readiness to stand as a candidate in the presidential election, I ask him (Putin) to agree to head the government of Russia after the election of the new president," Mr. Medvedev said in a brief televised address carried on all Russia's state-run channels.
"It is not enough to choose a new president, who can divide up all those responsibilities. It's no less important to preserve the capable team formed by the current president."
Mr. Putin's endorsement on Monday of Mr. Medvedev, a first deputy prime minister and chairman of powerful state-owned gas company Gazprom, makes him almost certain to become president in March.
The decision to pick a weaker figure who lacked a political base of his own signalled Mr. Putin's desire to retain influence after leaving the Kremlin.....
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Well I am glad somebody's happy. Putin and Gazprom and Belorussian Union. Not a happy prospect as far Kirkhill's concerned.
A couple of terms as President of Russia, a few terms as Prime Minister, a term or two as President of the Union, retirement as Chairman of Gazprom - a company that is posting 21% annual growth on valuation of 345 BUSD. Not happy at all. He has a 25 year career ahead of himself - a man with a plan.
"We" have tentatively "secured" Europe but "we" need to get the Mid-East and Iran in particular sorted out fast. We also need to get that pipeline through Turkey from Kazakhstan-Iran-Iraq-Saudi-Kuwait built ASAP so as to release the GAZPROM chokehold on Europe. I believe that Kyoto is also part of the same game. The longer that Putin can slow down new Hydrocarbon infrastructure in Europe the longer he can maintain his monopoly supplier position and the richer and stronger he, GAZPROM and Russia become.
A few weeks ago Canada authored a vote at the UN on Human Rights. It was loudly touted as a near run success that, because it was too close to defeat, should never have been put to the vote. I found the results of that vote interesting. It found ALL of Europe (with the exception of Serbia) from Malta to the Barents and from Cork to the Belorussian border all voting WITH Canada. Other supporters were Israel, US, Australia, the Pacific Ocean, Central America and Western South America. Africa broadly abstained as did South East Asia and, surprisingly (to me at least) the Caribbean Islands (I can only assume they are feeling heat from Cuba and Venezuela).
The opposition was Dar-Al-Islam, Russia and China, North Korea and Hugo's Friends.
I think that vote was a Head Count. If it was then it demonstrates that, however weakly, the Geopolitical situation is still materially "advanced" from the Cold War days. Russia is still pressured. This is a good thing because I don't believe there have been any institutional changes in Russia at all since the Cold War. While we have released a whole lot of Europeans from direct Russian control we have a whole bunch of angry, motivated Russians determined to re-exert that control and expand it by whatever means possible - including buying hanging rope from Lenin's capitalists.
If it had been run during the Cold War then one third of modern Europe wouldn't have had a chance to vote because they were subsumed in Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and the USSR. One third would have voted the Moscow line and the Western Third would have been split (or in the case of Franco's Spain or Tito's Yugoslavia) abstained.
Dar-al-Islam is now the battle ground that Western Europe used to be. The Fulda Gap has been moved to the Euphrates and the Dnieper (which splits the Ukraine into Catholic and Orthodox halves).
The good news is that we have advanced and that the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan contribute to that advance. Dar-al-Islam is NOT yet lost to "Us". It is still in play. And Russia, although still benefitting from internal lines of communication still suffers from a lack of reliable allies. China will slit Russia's throat the minute it feels the time is right. Russia feels exactly the same way. Russia also suffers, IMHO, from a real understanding that REAL strength comes from within. It doesn't focus on making its people happy and comfortable in their own society. They are still focusing on style and finding external threats to justify the domestic discomfort and sacrifice necessary to supply the "style" and prestige.
I may be an inveterate Cold Warrior but I don't see this leopard changing its spots. Like Germany after WW1 Russia doesn't think it lost. It thinks it was betrayed from within.
Endgame revealed
Guy Faulconbridge, Reuters
Published: Tuesday, December 11, 2007
Article Link
Long-time Putin crony Medvedev tapped as presidential successor
Russian President Vladimir Putin .... has chosen Dmitry Medvedev, acting first deputy prime minister, as his favoured candidate to replace him. Medvedev is a lawyer and head of Russian gas giant Gazprom.
Dmitry Medvedev, named by President Vladimir Putin as his preferred successor, said on Tuesday he wanted Putin to become prime minister in a future government to guarantee stability and continuity.
Such a move would offer Mr. Putin a way to retain influence after he steps down as head of state if, as expected, his long-time ally becomes president in an election next March.
Mr. Medvedev, in his first public broadcast since being named by Mr. Putin, was quick to declare his loyalty to his mentor.
"Expressing my readiness to stand as a candidate in the presidential election, I ask him (Putin) to agree to head the government of Russia after the election of the new president," Mr. Medvedev said in a brief televised address carried on all Russia's state-run channels.
"It is not enough to choose a new president, who can divide up all those responsibilities. It's no less important to preserve the capable team formed by the current president."
Mr. Putin's endorsement on Monday of Mr. Medvedev, a first deputy prime minister and chairman of powerful state-owned gas company Gazprom, makes him almost certain to become president in March.
The decision to pick a weaker figure who lacked a political base of his own signalled Mr. Putin's desire to retain influence after leaving the Kremlin.....
More on Link.
Well I am glad somebody's happy. Putin and Gazprom and Belorussian Union. Not a happy prospect as far Kirkhill's concerned.
A couple of terms as President of Russia, a few terms as Prime Minister, a term or two as President of the Union, retirement as Chairman of Gazprom - a company that is posting 21% annual growth on valuation of 345 BUSD. Not happy at all. He has a 25 year career ahead of himself - a man with a plan.
"We" have tentatively "secured" Europe but "we" need to get the Mid-East and Iran in particular sorted out fast. We also need to get that pipeline through Turkey from Kazakhstan-Iran-Iraq-Saudi-Kuwait built ASAP so as to release the GAZPROM chokehold on Europe. I believe that Kyoto is also part of the same game. The longer that Putin can slow down new Hydrocarbon infrastructure in Europe the longer he can maintain his monopoly supplier position and the richer and stronger he, GAZPROM and Russia become.
A few weeks ago Canada authored a vote at the UN on Human Rights. It was loudly touted as a near run success that, because it was too close to defeat, should never have been put to the vote. I found the results of that vote interesting. It found ALL of Europe (with the exception of Serbia) from Malta to the Barents and from Cork to the Belorussian border all voting WITH Canada. Other supporters were Israel, US, Australia, the Pacific Ocean, Central America and Western South America. Africa broadly abstained as did South East Asia and, surprisingly (to me at least) the Caribbean Islands (I can only assume they are feeling heat from Cuba and Venezuela).
The opposition was Dar-Al-Islam, Russia and China, North Korea and Hugo's Friends.
I think that vote was a Head Count. If it was then it demonstrates that, however weakly, the Geopolitical situation is still materially "advanced" from the Cold War days. Russia is still pressured. This is a good thing because I don't believe there have been any institutional changes in Russia at all since the Cold War. While we have released a whole lot of Europeans from direct Russian control we have a whole bunch of angry, motivated Russians determined to re-exert that control and expand it by whatever means possible - including buying hanging rope from Lenin's capitalists.
If it had been run during the Cold War then one third of modern Europe wouldn't have had a chance to vote because they were subsumed in Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and the USSR. One third would have voted the Moscow line and the Western Third would have been split (or in the case of Franco's Spain or Tito's Yugoslavia) abstained.
Dar-al-Islam is now the battle ground that Western Europe used to be. The Fulda Gap has been moved to the Euphrates and the Dnieper (which splits the Ukraine into Catholic and Orthodox halves).
The good news is that we have advanced and that the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan contribute to that advance. Dar-al-Islam is NOT yet lost to "Us". It is still in play. And Russia, although still benefitting from internal lines of communication still suffers from a lack of reliable allies. China will slit Russia's throat the minute it feels the time is right. Russia feels exactly the same way. Russia also suffers, IMHO, from a real understanding that REAL strength comes from within. It doesn't focus on making its people happy and comfortable in their own society. They are still focusing on style and finding external threats to justify the domestic discomfort and sacrifice necessary to supply the "style" and prestige.
I may be an inveterate Cold Warrior but I don't see this leopard changing its spots. Like Germany after WW1 Russia doesn't think it lost. It thinks it was betrayed from within.
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Isn't the CFE treaty kind of superfluous now anyways?
I highly doubt Russia pulled out of it because they plan on imminently (or even in the foreseeable future) putting 13,300 tanks or 5,150 combat aircraft and 1,500 attack helicopters into active combat units.
They don't have the resources available to violate the CFE even if they wanted to, so pulling out of it is kind of a non-issue. And if they do get the resources, and the motivation, they sure as $#!t aren't going to let paperwork get int the way anyways.
Of course it does indicate a bit of a belligerent attitude, but if that's news to you, you haven't been paying atention
I highly doubt Russia pulled out of it because they plan on imminently (or even in the foreseeable future) putting 13,300 tanks or 5,150 combat aircraft and 1,500 attack helicopters into active combat units.
They don't have the resources available to violate the CFE even if they wanted to, so pulling out of it is kind of a non-issue. And if they do get the resources, and the motivation, they sure as $#!t aren't going to let paperwork get int the way anyways.
Of course it does indicate a bit of a belligerent attitude, but if that's news to you, you haven't been paying atention
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