S. Brent Warne re: Rememberance Day

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Posted by "Wm. Durrant" <[email protected]> on Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:17:41 -0500
1. I agree that obviously Op‘s come first.
2. If we CF don‘t hold "fancy parades" and don‘t visit legions, who will?
3. If we CF don‘t respect the moment 2 Minutes of silence once per year
not too much to ask considering, who will?
4. I Remember.....but will my grandchildren? Yesterday was "put down your
pencils" for 47 seconds, what will it be in 20 yrs?
5. I was not upset that I may have missed a few beers with the boys. I am
upset because the very institution who should be fighting to keep this day
sacred seems to be rather indifferent.
There are a lot of days in a year. That‘s what I tell my children when
they say they‘d rather be doing something else on Rememberance Day, and
that‘s what the army has told me for the last16 yrs.
for your consideration.........
-bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Brent Warne"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: Rememberance Day
Sgt Durrant
While I agree with your sentiments that Remembrance Day is sacred. I seem
to recall a few Remembrance Days spent working instead of partaking of the
comradeship usually associated with the day.
One in particular Remembrance Day was spent in a dirty hole of a place in
the middle of the Sinai Desert. We stopped work for a minute and someone
said it‘s too bad so and so didn‘t make it. We had just had 9 guys killed
when the Syrians shot down a Buffalo a couple of months earlier. That was
it. No elaborate ceremony, just a simple act of remembrance. To my mind,
that‘s what it‘s all about. Fancy parades and visits to the Legion are
great, but a simple act of remembrance is more important.
We will remember them, I think the statement goes.
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Posted by "S. Brent Warne" <[email protected]> on Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:07:01 -0800
Bill
I refer to your original statement
"Never before in my life have I ever worked on Remembrance Day. My
children do not go to school, but to the cenotaph. If there has ever
been a sacred "holiday" in my home it is today. The Army, however, saw
fit this year to run a course weekend today in Toronto which I had to
attend. 47 seconds of my day was dedicated to the fallen. I am
completely disgusted and disappointed that this was allowed to happen
and I thought that I‘d throw it to the list to see what you think."
While this may be your own experience, it is certainly not the
experience of the many members who must do their duty I can understand
your feelings and I‘m sure your officers considered the ramifications
when they decided that it was necessary to work on Remembrance Day. I‘m
sure they didn‘t take the decision lightly.
In my experience, the CF has increased their participation, not the
opposite. To suggest that because for the first time in your career you
had to work on Remembrance Day, the entire CF is failing in it‘s duty
is simply not true. Your children may also gain an understanding of
sacrifice when they know that their dad had to do his duty in the army
instead of attending Remembrance Day parade ?
Sorry if I sound a little hard nosed, but sometimes we have to make
sacrifices in our profession.
Brent
-----Original Message-----
From:Wm. Durrant [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent:Sunday, November 12, 2000 5:18 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject:S. Brent Warne re: Rememberance Day
1. I agree that obviously Op‘s come first.
2. If we CF don‘t hold "fancy parades" and don‘t visit legions, who
will?
3. If we CF don‘t respect the moment 2 Minutes of silence once per
year
not too much to ask considering, who will?
4. I Remember.....but will my grandchildren? Yesterday was "put down
your
pencils" for 47 seconds, what will it be in 20 yrs?
5. I was not upset that I may have missed a few beers with the boys. I
am
upset because the very institution who should be fighting to keep this
day
sacred seems to be rather indifferent.
There are a lot of days in a year. That‘s what I tell my children when
they say they‘d rather be doing something else on Rememberance Day, and
that‘s what the army has told me for the last16 yrs.
for your consideration.........
-bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Brent Warne"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: Rememberance Day
Sgt Durrant
While I agree with your sentiments that Remembrance Day is sacred. I
seem
to recall a few Remembrance Days spent working instead of partaking of
the
comradeship usually associated with the day.
One in particular Remembrance Day was spent in a dirty hole of a place
in
the middle of the Sinai Desert. We stopped work for a minute and
someone
said it‘s too bad so and so didn‘t make it. We had just had 9 guys
killed
when the Syrians shot down a Buffalo a couple of months earlier. That
was
it. No elaborate ceremony, just a simple act of remembrance. To my
mind,
that‘s what it‘s all about. Fancy parades and visits to the Legion are
great, but a simple act of remembrance is more important.
We will remember them, I think the statement goes.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wm. Durrant [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 5:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Rememberance Day
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Posted by "Gow" <[email protected]> on Mon, 13 Nov 2000 01:59:00 -0500
I hope I understand where each of you are coming from..but perhaps not.
Yes, ceratainly, a serving member may not have 120 seconds to close his eyes
on a given, predictable date,,that may not be the world‘s best agenda,, or,
in fact, his duty
I‘ve been in the west of Canada, where 11 November is a Stat holiday, am now
located in the "East" where its not..still the same country? right?
Have been asked to work that day any number of times..not necessarily by the
Army in fact never, other than to be on Parade, but civvy life wants me to
do any number of things in that "time loss" period.
There are almost unquestionably ‘windows‘ to run courses in, where they
least impact civvy life..this may have been one of them.
The 47 second observation? Wrong, undoubtably.
Is it "wrong" for our children to go to school on Rememberance Day? I doubt
it...the parades are so long the lasting veterans cannot "make" them..they
are spending their time presenting to rather avid classes, who do, in fact,
listen, ...in school!
But to get back to the original point ...two minutes is awfully, indeed
AWFULLY cheap...
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Brent Warne"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: S. Brent Warne re: Rememberance Day
Bill
I refer to your original statement
"Never before in my life have I ever worked on Remembrance Day. My
children do not go to school, but to the cenotaph. If there has ever been a
sacred "holiday" in my home it is today. The Army, however, saw fit this
year to run a course weekend today in Toronto which I had to attend. 47
seconds of my day was dedicated to the fallen. I am completely disgusted
and disappointed that this was allowed to happen and I thought that I‘d
throw it to the list to see what you think."
While this may be your own experience, it is certainly not the experience of
the many members who must do their duty I can understand your feelings and
I‘m sure your officers considered the ramifications when they decided that
it was necessary to work on Remembrance Day. I‘m sure they didn‘t take the
decision lightly.
In my experience, the CF has increased their participation, not the
opposite. To suggest that because for the first time in your career you had
to work on Remembrance Day, the entire CF is failing in it‘s duty is simply
not true. Your children may also gain an understanding of sacrifice when
they know that their dad had to do his duty in the army instead of attending
Remembrance Day parade ?
Sorry if I sound a little hard nosed, but sometimes we have to make
sacrifices in our profession.
Brent
-----Original Message-----
From: Wm. Durrant [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 5:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: S. Brent Warne re: Rememberance Day
1. I agree that obviously Op‘s come first.
2. If we CF don‘t hold "fancy parades" and don‘t visit legions, who will?
3. If we CF don‘t respect the moment 2 Minutes of silence once per year
not too much to ask considering, who will?
4. I Remember.....but will my grandchildren? Yesterday was "put down your
pencils" for 47 seconds, what will it be in 20 yrs?
5. I was not upset that I may have missed a few beers with the boys. I am
upset because the very institution who should be fighting to keep this day
sacred seems to be rather indifferent.
There are a lot of days in a year. That‘s what I tell my children when
they say they‘d rather be doing something else on Rememberance Day, and
that‘s what the army has told me for the last16 yrs.
for your consideration.........
-bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Brent Warne"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: Rememberance Day
Sgt Durrant
While I agree with your sentiments that Remembrance Day is sacred. I seem
to recall a few Remembrance Days spent working instead of partaking of the
comradeship usually associated with the day.
One in particular Remembrance Day was spent in a dirty hole of a place in
the middle of the Sinai Desert. We stopped work for a minute and someone
said it‘s too bad so and so didn‘t make it. We had just had 9 guys killed
when the Syrians shot down a Buffalo a couple of months earlier. That was
it. No elaborate ceremony, just a simple act of remembrance. To my mind,
that‘s what it‘s all about. Fancy parades and visits to the Legion are
great, but a simple act of remembrance is more important.
We will remember them, I think the statement goes.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 5:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Rememberance Day
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Posted by "F. A." <[email protected]> on Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:21:21 -0700
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Off and on since 1984 and every year since 1994, I have attended the hour long
service at the cenotaph in Central Park, downtown Calgary. I don‘t get a day off
from work, I own my own company, I do it out of a sense of respect. In recent
years, I‘ve noticed more companies giving employees the day, hence the
attendance has grown lately. In 1984, there wasn‘t more than 200 people, this
past weekend‘s ceremony had easily 1200 people. The Museum of Regts regularly
gets 6000 people attended their service, the Jubilee Auditorium Fills the 3500
seat facility. I‘d like to point out that the cenotaph service is at Noon, so as
the official Colour Party and the band can make their way from the Jubilee. It‘s
good to see so many families and young people attending.
I hope it never ends...
Francois
Calgary
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Posted by "Capt.RW.Nairne,TFBH SO Comd,4212,0901" <[email protected]> on Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:44:25 -0500 (EST)
Remembrance Day took special meaning for me this year as I took was able to attend two activities within Task Force Bosnia Herzegovina.
Events were held all over the AOR with the HQ TFBH, NSE and BRWAU conducting a ceremony at Camp Black Bear on 11 Nov 00 at the appointed hour with members of CFPSA and ATCO Frontec in attendance. It was a fine ceremony and it was held in front of the memorial to the 20 Canadians killed/died in the Balkans two from our tour.
Units that were not able to hold services on 11 Nov 00 because of the Bosnian Federal Election were expected to stop what they were doing and observe two minutes of silence.
2 PPCLI BG ceremony was held at Camp Maple Leaf and I‘d imagine all the other camps as wellon 12 Nov 00. In addition there were memorial services held at the two sites along BlueBird Route. One was an RCD soldier and the other Sapper Holopina who I knew personally and the Camp in Coralici is named in honour of.
It doesn‘t matter what type of ceremony you attend or if you are given the opportunity to go to the legion afterwards or not. I personally don‘t like to hear Remembrance Day referred to as a holiday, a long weekend, etc but it‘s a free society and people can say and think what they want. Let‘s not forget that its the act of remembrance that‘s important.
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