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San Bernardino Shooting leaves 14 dead - 02 Dec 15

Thucydides said:
The rule needs to be "heads up, eyes open and report suspicious activities". Political Correctness just got 14 people killed:


If they haven't already I assume that Crimestoppers could engage more with this issue
tomahawk6 said:
I'm with Trump on the issue of concealed carry for self defense.If one or two people had been armed it might have been very different.Sort of like a robber trying to stick up a cop bar,it doesnt end well for the bad guys.

Anyway Farooq senior is now on the watch list accroding to ABC news.


I'm with you on this but in Canada that will get you branded as a phsyco somewhere North of Hitler.
The news media have uncovered the fact that the wife's mother is a member of a hardline islamist society that calls for the establishment of a caliphate in the US.This would group needs to be investigated.Advocating the overhtrow of the government is a crime.The link has an interesting image of a letter of appreciation. ::)

tomahawk6 said:
I'm with Trump on the issue of concealed carry for self defense.If one or two people had been armed it might have been very different.Sort of like a robber trying to stick up a cop bar,it doesnt end well for the bad guys.

Anyway Farooq senior is now on the watch list accroding to ABC news.


The idea of concealed carry to protect yourself against this sort of violence is fairly well known in "4GW" theory, the idea being to create a distributed defense that can respond to an amorphous and ill defined threat. This has actually been born out in several instances, for example mass shootings stopped at some University campus locations when students or faculty responded to the shooter by arming themselves, or the statistical evidence that violent crime is lower in US "Concealed Carry" States.

Of course this isn't sufficient in of itself, and I would much rather see a situation where people are not only armed, but also trained (much like the universal Swiss Citizen Militia model). Alert people who know what to do (including calling in and vectoring law enforcement, using cell phone cameras to record for forensic evidence, having emergency first aid training and the ability to use firearms in self defense should the need arise) and have the will and ability to do something when the need arises will be the best way protect ourselves and respond to these sorts of attacks. Don't forget the Americans who took down the train terrorist in Europe recently were unarmed and working in the worst possible tactical environment (coming down a single walkway with no possibility of being able to outflank the opponent) or even the five Canadians who ran to the War Memorial when Cpl. Nathan Cirillo was shot; people can act effectively, so *we* as a society need to cultivate this more fully and encourage this everywhere.

Edit to add another article which expands on the idea:


Let's kill them first: Column
Paul Mueller and Steele Brand 10:47 a.m. EST December 7, 2015
Answer to terror is tougher citizens, not tougher government.

The horrific terrorist attack in San Bernardino last week reminds us that we live in an uncertain and dangerous world. The willful malevolence of the attackers and the seeming randomness of the attacks are particularly disturbing. But while the world has been shaken, we need not, indeed should not, live in fear of terrorists.

As world leaders grapple with how to respond, just as they did after the recent Paris attacks, they must resist the tendency to further bolster the police state at the expense of individual freedom. Throughout history, war and the fear of war have been used by governments to expand their power at the expense of citizens’ property and liberty. The American Revolution was a striking exception to this trend where individuals took to defending their property and their liberty from an organized enemy who wanted to take both. A strategy of engaging individuals in the fight against today’s terrorism can be similarly successful.

Unfortunately, the common knee-jerk reaction to terrorist attacks among the general public is to demand that political leaders defend us. Governments respond: After more than 125 people died in France last month, President Hollande ordered a series of airstrikes on ISIS targets, U. S. governors quickly vowed to keep Syrian refugees out and Manhattan district attorney Cyrus Vance criticized Google and Apple for making it impossible for the government to hack into people’s phones.

These sentiments inspire government growth at the expense of individual rights and privacy. Consider the massive scope of NSA spying revealed by Edward Snowden or how the police and maybe the NSA use fake cell phone towers to track Americans’ cell phones. Consider the abuse at the Guantanamo Bay facility and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Phoenix gunwalking scandal. Bigger, more intrusive government agencies, both civilian and military, are a poor solution to terrorism.

In light of the recent attacks, we should remember our heritage and apply it today. Tough citizens don’t give government more power in a crisis. They know that government cannot always be there to protect them. Police and bureaucrats didn’t stop the hijackers of Flight 93 on September 11, the shoe-bomber later that December, the underwear bomber in 2009, or the Thalys train attacker this year. Neither did thicker cockpit doors or ineffective TSA screening. These acts of terrorism were stopped by ordinary citizens.

We should renew the American tradition of tough, self-reliant citizens who are not afraid to confront terrorists. Instead of fearing guns, they promote responsible gun ownership and training so that citizens can protect themselves and their communities. U.S. cities and states can reform their gun laws and educational programs to make it easier for those who are skilled and trained to have weapons in public places. In any major American city, 99.99% of people are not terrorists. Those are good odds in an attack, but only if citizens are equipped to defend themselves.

State and local governments should equip their citizens to defend themselves from acts of terrorism. Options could include a gun safety or survival training course in high school, or a basic terrorism-awareness exam that people take when getting their driver’s license. Federal bureaucrats cannot determine what programs will best empower citizens. Instead states and localities should have the freedom to experiment and tailor their programs to empower individual citizens to deal with the rare occurrences of terrorism themselves rather than relying on an extensive, and likely abusive, police state.

We don’t need more laws or regulations restricting what people can do. And we don’t need to give the FBI, CIA, NSA, DOJ, DHS, branches of the military and state and local police more money, more authority and more power. We need citizens who have the freedom and moral toughness to stand up to terrorism whenever and wherever it rears its ugly head. That will truly make the world safer from all terrorists, foreign and domestic.

Paul Mueller is an assistant professor of economics and Steele Brand is an assistant professor of history at The King's College in New York City.

In addition to its own editorials, USA TODAY publishes diverse opinions from outside writers, including our Board of Contributors. To read more columns like this, go to the Opinion front page.
If this report is true, it invalidates much of the "narrative" that many Progressives have fastened on to promote thier agenda of gun control and disarming the American public. It also leaves open the question as tohow many ohters are already on the ground here in North America, today:


San Bernardino shooting planned a year in advance: report
By Mark Hensch

Last week's mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., that killed 14 was reportedly planned up to a year in advance.

The suspected killers began practicing with guns and making financial preparations in 2014, according to NBC News.

Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik began honing their firearms skills last year at a shooting range in Riverside, Calif., NBC said, citing two sources.
Counterterrorism officials said the pair began saving money for their daughter and Farook’s mother during the same period.

“[They wanted to] take care of both Grandma and the baby,” one official told NBC News, referencing the couple’s 6-month-old and Rafia Farook, 62.

“They had purposely thought through that problem,” they continued. "[Some transactions] would be consistent with them making preparations for grandma and the kid.”

“There were other indications of preparation,” the official added, not specifying further details.

Farook and Malik left their child with Rafia Farook at their home in Redlands, Calif., the morning of Dec. 2, according to NBC News.

They then opened fire inside the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, authorities say, killing 14 and wounding 21. Police killed the duo during a shootout in Redlands, Calif., later that day.

Reports emerged Tuesday that Syed Farook received a $28,500 bank deposit from WebBank.com two weeks before the massacre. At least three subsequent transfers of $5,000 apiece went to Rafia Farook before the attack.

The FBI is now investigating the incident for ties with terrorist organizations including the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

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Dec 8, 2015

Pipe bombs set to kill San Bernardino first responders

None of the bombs left at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino detonated, but the technique has investigators very concerned

"This was meant to get into the minds of medics and officers who are arriving first on scene."

How first medic on scene responded to San Bernardino shooting
Tactical medic Ryan Starling recalls assessing the victims and separating the living from the dead

Thucydides said:
If this report is true, it invalidates much of the "narrative" that many Progressives have fastened on to promote thier agenda of gun control and disarming the American public. It also leaves open the question as tohow many ohters are already on the ground here in North America, today:


The cops need more money to bribe snitches... that's how the wars of today are really won.
More on the terrorists actions after the initial shooting:


Before the final shootout, four mysterious hours in San Bernardino
By Joel Achenbach and Sari Horwitz December 14 at 8:22 PM 

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. — Suu Ngo, 75, served as a major in the South Vietnamese army during the Vietnam War and ended up working lawn maintenance here in the Inland Empire, with a modest home behind a metal fence that lines a quiet stretch of San Bernardino Avenue. On Monday, Ngo stood out in front of his home and counted the bullet holes and marks from the big gun battle of Dec. 2.

“And here too. And here. And one there,” he said. He came up with 16 total.

Just a few steps from his driveway, Syed Rizwan Farood and Tashfeen Malik, the husband-and-wife terrorists who killed 14 people earlier that day, met their end in a torrent of police gunfire.

The officers were lined up behind a wall in the yard of one of Ngo’s neighbors and fired at Farook and Malik’s rented black Ford Expedition. Farook bolted from the car and died across the street, while Malik kept firing from the back seat until the police fusillade killed her. The final shootout involved 23 officers who fired 380 bullets, while Farook and Malik fired 76, officials have said.

The killers left behind a long rash of questions, not the least of which is the mystery of the four hours between the 11 a.m. terrorist attack and the 3 p.m. gun battle.

The San Bernardino killers' network of interest. View Graphic https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/national/the-san-bernardino-killers-network-of-interest/1912/ 

Authorities have not released any information on what Farook and Malik were doing in those four hours. But a law enforcement official said Monday that investigators do have some information about where the shooters were. The official would not provide specific details other than to say that it involved the use of cellphone data.

Just before the attack, Malik went on Facebook and declared, on behalf of herself and Farook, allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State, officials have said. The shooters apparently smashed their cellphones later and disposed of them. But law enforcement officials have technologies that can triangulate the location of suspects based on where and when a device connects to cellphone towers.

Some rental-car companies have tracking technology on their vehicles, but authorities have not indicated that they have such data in this case.

Law enforcement sources have speculated that Farook and Malik originally intended to shoot up a school or a college. Officials have been quoted in multiple media reports saying that Farook’s digital trail included images of schools, but cautioned that this might have been simply part of his job as a county health inspector.

What’s striking is the couple’s movements in their final, mad dash when chased by police.

The police were tipped, soon after the mass shooting at the Inland Regional Center, that Farook had been at the training session there that morning and had left roughly 20 minutes before two masked killers came into the room and started firing. Police then staked out Farook’s rental apartment in Redlands, which is about seven miles by car from the IRC.

The Los Angeles Times, in a reconstruction of the chase and gun battle, reported that several hours after the massacre, two plainclothes detectives saw a black SUV do a slow drive-by of the apartment.

Police had been searching for a black SUV for hours. Multiple officers, led by one from the Redlands police department, pursued the SUV on the Interstate 10 freeway, going west — back into the city of San Bernardino.

Then the SUV, with Farook driving, exited the freeway at Tippecanoe Street, going north. Tippecanoe is the last exit prior to Waterman Avenue, which is where the IRC is located and which had been blocked off by police. The SUV reached San Bernardino Avenue and turned back to the east.

The movements are enigmatic, but it is possible that the terrorists contemplated returning to the scene of their earlier atrocity. Hundreds of first responders had gathered there, along with members of the media. The second attack might have been at the same location as the first one — a kind of suicide mission meant to inflict maximum casualties and add to the list of victims many people who wear a uniform.

“It’s certainly a possibility. That’s the question on all our minds. Where were they going?” said Redlands Police Sgt. Andy Capps, who was directly behind the SUV, took incoming fire and was one of the first officers to engage in the gun battle.

“They were clearly armored, and armed to kill more people. Whether they were ready for a fight with law enforcement or not, I don’t know. But they were armed to the teeth and they were ready for something, for sure,” Capps said late Monday. “We all just speculate like everybody else what we think their plans were and where they were going and where they had been.”

Until the FBI, which is running the investigation, provides more information to the public, the movements of the terrorists in those four hours will remain mysterious. But in the meantime, there is mounting evidence that Farook and Malik were hardly criminal masterminds.

[Friend of the San Bernardino shooter is at center of FBI investigation]

In addition to the most obvious mistake — returning to the home where they lived with their baby and Farook’s mother, and being seen by the stakeout — the killers struggled with their gear.

Authorities say they tried to make one of their military-style semiautomatic rifles fully automatic — converting it into a machine gun. They failed. They assembled a pipe bomb and left it at the conference room, among the bodies of their victims, but authorities described the remote-control device they hoped to use as a “toy” remote and said it proved to be a dud.

They tried to cover their digital tracks, smashing two cellphones. But they apparently threw them into a trash can near their home, and they were quickly found and are being examined by FBI forensic researchers.

The FBI believes that they tried to dispose of a computer hard drive and other items by throwing them into a pond in a park about two miles from the massacre. Divers retrieved material that is now being examined as possible evidence in the case.

Authorities do not yet know the scope of the conspiracy to carry out the terror attack, or even if anyone other than Farook or Malik knew about it. Enrique Marquez, a 24-year-old neighbor of Farook’s who bought the rifles, has been extensively interrogated but not yet charged with a crime.

Victoria Landeros endured the terrifying gun battle. She was told by her daughter, Rosalind, that there was gunfire outside. Victoria, who has lived in her home for 60 years, called 911.

“Stay indoors! Do not go outside!” the dispatcher told her.

Her house still has a bullet hole in the frame of the living room window. The police had come along after the shooting and given the bullet hole a number: “120.”

John Situmeang, 71, who has lived in his home for 22 years and boasts citrus trees loaded with ripe fruit at this time of year, said Monday that on Dec. 2 he and his wife had just finished lunch when the gunfire erupted. They saw police cars line up along their side yard. They lay down on the carpet in their living room, trying to make themselves as flat as possible.

“Even now, I’m scared — if I hear helicopters or police,” he said.

Crime tourists drive by the scene and stop to look around. The asphalt has been treated in the place where the SUV stopped and where Farook died.

There are nuggets of automobile glass, but no sign of blood. Police have collected the bullets and shell casings. Ngo said he’s contacted his insurance company about the bullet-riddled fence.

Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.
An interesting sidebar from a legal news web site on one of the sources of funding for these clowns ...
News that an online marketplace lender extended a $28,500 loan to Syed Rizwan Farook, one of the alleged San Bernardino attackers, just two weeks before the attack, has spurred House Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) to announce plans to propose new terrorist financing legislation in the coming months. On December 10, 2015, Chairman Hensarling announced that such legislation will be a top priority for the coming year and that a bill will be introduced in early 2016. A day earlier, the House Financial Services Committee voted to reestablish its Task Force to Investigate Terrorism Financing (“Task Force”), and the Task Force requested information from the U.S. Department of the Treasury (“Treasury”) about the regulation of online lenders in the wake of the attack.

Online lending platforms, including the platform used by the alleged San Bernardino attacker, generally partner with banks to originate loans. And, loans originated by a bank through an online lending platform are subject to anti-money laundering and anti-terrorism financing obligations under the Bank Secrecy Act, USA PATRIOT Act and other federal laws that apply to such bank-originated loans. These obligations include verifying a borrower’s identity, determining whether a borrower is on certain watch lists (e.g., the Office of Foreign Assets Control’s Specially Designated Nationals list), and filing suspicious activity reports, where appropriate. While non-bank online lending platforms may not be directly subject to these obligations, these platforms are generally obligated by agreement to assist the originating bank in fulfilling its anti-money laundering and anti-terrorism financing obligations ...
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December 17, 2015
San Bernardino couple's friend to face charges

A swarm of FBI agents stood guard as Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik were laid to rest at an undisclosed Muslim cemetery hours away from San Bernardino.

Upthread is the lie that there were 355 "mass shootings" in 2015. Here is a deconstruction of that, but of course your BS detector should her sensitive enough to pick up wildly improbable figures being manipulated long before we take the time to actually track down the truth. (Of course, the technique of "The Big Lie" has been around for a long time...) (for whatever reason the charts are not uploading, go to link.


A mass shooting every day. Or not…

For the last week or so, the news media, entertainment media and internet have been loaded down with claims that America has had more mass shootings in 2015 than 2015 has had days. This, of course, sounds pretty bad, and is a factoid being used by the civilian disarmament movement to further their cause of restricting firearms solely to agents of the government and violent criminals. But is the claim accurate?

Surprise, surprise, it’s not.

The Media’s Inflated ‘Mass Shootings’ Count Is Wildly Misleading
Basically, the definition of “mass shooting” had to be badly mangled in order to get the numbers they were after. The definition being used here is that in a single incident of gunfire, four or more people are injured or killed. Note, though, that it’s not four people injured by the shooter shooting them. Nor four people being injured by being shot. or, indeed, *anybody* being shot. Injuries such as bystanders running away, tripping and skinning their knee? They’re counted. The shooter himself gets shot by a cop, or beat half to death by a bystander, or shoots himself? He’s counted.

The number being trotted out is 355 mass shootings in 2015. The Congressional Research Service defines:

“mass public shooting” is a mass shooting “in at least one or more public locations, such as a workplace, school, restaurant, house of worship, neighborhood, or other public setting . . . and not attributable to any other underlying criminal activity or commonplace circumstance (armed robbery, criminal competition, insurance fraud, argument, or romantic triangle).” Using these definitions, Grant Duwe, in his 2007 book Mass Murder in the United States: A History, notes: “Excluding those that occurred in connection with criminal activity such as robbery, drug dealing, and organized crime, there were 116 mass public shootings during the twentieth century” (emphasis mine). The Congressional Research Service reported 317 mass shootings between 1999 and 2013, only 66 of which qualified under their criteria as mass public shootings.

According to this metric, there were fewer mass shootings in *14* *years* than is now being claimed for 2015.

However you count ’em, a mass public shooting is a Very Bad Thing. But some in the civilian disarmament movement are claiming that the US is somehow unique in this, that we are virtually alone in having mass shootings. But, surprise, surprise, this isn’t accurate either.

Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe
How dangerous is the US as far as mass shootings? Not very, compared to some Enlightened European Nations:

And how *often* do mass shootings happen in the US, compared to other nations?

Note that according to this data, the annual chances of an American being killed in a mass shooting is less than one in ten million. Sure, other countries might have lower risk, say, one in forty million. But one in ten million is such a vanishingly low number compared to other causes of death that stressing out about it, or allowing demagogues to mangle civil rights, just doesn’t make sense.
Take away the guns and............


Worst Mass Murders in US History (any weapon):

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. ~3,000 people dead.

Non-Gun Mass Murders (worldwide):

By no means is this a complete list. I have focused on 2008, and NOT included the majority of terrorist attacks in recent times, most of which involve car bombs (London), attaché bombs on trains (Madrid), the Sarin gas attack in Tokyo, etc. (and in fact almost all modern terrorist attacks are done without guns for the reasons of efficiency stated above).

Arson, Stabbing Rampage in Seoul South Korea : 10/20/2008. 6 people dead, 5 from stabbing. 7 others wounded, 4 seriously. An angry man felt people “looked down on him.”

Anti-police stabbing spree in Shanghai, China: 7/2008. 6 Police Officers stabbed to death, 4 wounded. 28 year old man angry at police attacked a police station with a knife.

Akihabara Massacre, Chiyoda City, Tokyo, Japan: 6/8/2008. 7 people killed (3 struck by car, 4 by stabbing), many more injured. Man slammed into a crowd with his car, then jumped out and began stabbing people to death.

18 year old slashes 4 to death in Sitka, Alaska, US: 3/25/2008. 4 people killed. 18 year old (old enough to purchase a rifle over the counter) kills 4 people, related to him, with a 5 inch knife.

Stabbing Spree kills 2, Tsuchiura, Japan: 3/23/2008. 2 killed, 7 wounded. Man “just wanted to kill anyone.”

Stabbing spree wounds 41, 6 seriously in Berlin Train Station: 5/26/2006. 41 wounded, 6 seriously. Thankfully no one died in this attack, but not for lack of trying on the part of the drunk 16 year old.

4 killed in stabbing spree in London, UK: 9/2004. 4 killed, 2 wounded. Mentally ill man attacks mostly older people.

6 killed over Xbox dispute in Deltona, Florida, US: 8/6/2004. 6 killed. 4 men (all old enough to legally purchase firearms) bludgeon 6 people to death with baseball bats over purloined Xbox.

Daegu subway fire, Daegu, South Korea: 2/18/2003. 198 killed, 147 injured. A 56 year old unemployed taxi driver, dissatisfied with his medical treatment, sets fire to a crowded train.

Osaka School Massacre, Osaka Japan: 6/8/2001. 8 children dead, 13 other children and 2 teachers wounded. Committed by 37 year old former janitor armed with a kitchen knife.

June 01, 2016

US seeks to seize San Bernardino shooter's life insurance
LOS ANGELES –  Federal prosecutors on Tuesday filed a lawsuit to seize payments on life insurance policies taken out by San Bernardino shooter Syed Rizwan Farook in the years before the December attacks.
mariomike said:
June 01, 2016

US seeks to seize San Bernardino shooter's life insurance
LOS ANGELES –  Federal prosecutors on Tuesday filed a lawsuit to seize payments on life insurance policies taken out by San Bernardino shooter Syed Rizwan Farook in the years before the December attacks.

Good, I hope they succeed.
9 Sep 2016

Bringing Calm to Chaos

A critical incident review of the San Bernardino public safety response to the December 2, 2015 terrorist shooting incident at the Inland Regional Center

San Bernardino Terrorist Attack Response: Chaos and Lessons Learned For Police & Paramedics

Triage and transport: The golden hour rings true

At the triage area, firefighters and paramedics treated the victims, binding wounds and doing whatever they could to assist the injured. Tarps were put out, designating the different levels of trauma. One other tarp had to be set up for two victims who died either en route or at the triage.
Ambulances continued to arrive to take the wounded to local hospitals. Medical transport helicopters also landed on the golf course and transported a couple of the victims. Altogether, it took 57 minutes to get 22 wounded survivors, some critical, out of the IRC and to a hospital. In the medical community, it is believed that if injured or wounded people can be transported to a hospital in less than an hour—known as the golden hour—their likelihood of survival improves significantly. In this case and on that day, every victim taken to a hospital survived.
At the same time, authorities led uninjured county employees and IRC staff to a nearby spot on the golf course and told them to stay there. Hundreds of people waited, sharing grief and tears and wondering what had just erupted in their world.
Despite the fact that transportation arrangements were made as soon as possible, the wait turned into three hours as authorities worked to clear the buildings. There were no bathrooms and little shade, and cell phone batteries were dead or dying, leading to a growing angst and frustration from many. But authorities needed people to stay as they all had been witnesses in one way or another and needed to be interviewed.