"Senior RCMP intelligence director arrested, facing multiple charges"
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GK .Dundas
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The single dumbest human being that I have ever met actually had a PHD tacked on after their name .
This case reminds me of that person so strongly.
This case reminds me of that person so strongly.
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But that just proves the axiom that education does not equal intelligence. Something many people don't differentiate about.
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I didn’t think they would bring home the guilty on this verdict. I expected it to be over the head of the average juror. Too technical with too much smokescreen with protected info.
I’m SUPER impressed with the team on this one and that prosecutor. I can’t even fathom the amount of work this was- the negative critic in me was wrong. And I have to own that.
Nice work to the crew
I’m SUPER impressed with the team on this one and that prosecutor. I can’t even fathom the amount of work this was- the negative critic in me was wrong. And I have to own that.
Nice work to the crew
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It was pretty impressive, given that they couldn't actually bring a number of charges because the evidence was too secret to use in court.
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Sign of a good prosecutorial team. Know your audience and craft your case to it.
Clearly, the jury wasn't buying the crusading, lone wolf super spy angle.
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Inside the first interrogation of Ortis:
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I'm interested in this thread.
In particular, I'm wondering about statements to the effect that Ortis was a 'mole' for a foreign intelligence agency; that he was investigating tips about corruption within Canadian security organizations with ties/ potentially leaking information to organized crime or other institutions (and that his activities were at least partially sanctioned, potentially by a foreign intelligence agency, in relation to dealing with the potential corruption or leaks; or alternately or possibly 'also', that Ortis' primary activities and motivations may have been for making money for himself personally.
I've only read a couple of articles online about this so far, I haven't dug back in this thread much yet, so I'm not sure what is available here.
Are there some good public sources of information to get a better overview and sense of this case?
Thank you.
In particular, I'm wondering about statements to the effect that Ortis was a 'mole' for a foreign intelligence agency; that he was investigating tips about corruption within Canadian security organizations with ties/ potentially leaking information to organized crime or other institutions (and that his activities were at least partially sanctioned, potentially by a foreign intelligence agency, in relation to dealing with the potential corruption or leaks; or alternately or possibly 'also', that Ortis' primary activities and motivations may have been for making money for himself personally.
I've only read a couple of articles online about this so far, I haven't dug back in this thread much yet, so I'm not sure what is available here.
Are there some good public sources of information to get a better overview and sense of this case?
Thank you.
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Sentencing arguments begin today. Crown seeking around 20 years, defence time served.
As I understand, he spent about 3 years in pre trial custody - would that give him the equivalent of 4 1/2 years of credit?
As I understand, he spent about 3 years in pre trial custody - would that give him the equivalent of 4 1/2 years of credit?
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That seems like a big gulf between the two, and I suspect is pretty optimistic on the defence side given the seriousness of the charge.
With what they had to dance around I can appreciate why some countries take a more straightforward approach of disappearing people instead of trying to balance fair and open justice system against not releasing national security items, and probably where the closed courts with security clearances would be more useful.
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According to Sam Cooper at The Bureau, the Crown is asking for 28 years.
www.thebureau.news
Prosecutors seek 28-year max sentence against RCMP mole Ortis, for endangering Canadians
Maximum jail term will send a message to Five Eyes that Canada can guard secrets, court hears
www.thebureau.news
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In the "What the hell? / Totally not a spy" department,
www.theglobeandmail.com
Michael Kovrig lends support to ex-RCMP intelligence official found guilty of sharing secrets
The Crown is seeking 28 years behind bars for Cameron Ortis, saying during sentencing hearing that he jeopardized the safety of Canadians
www.theglobeandmail.com
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Apparently GSRP, which Korvig was part of, is an absolute dumpster fire and is basically GACs poor attempt at creating their own intelligence agency. Some say they pulled a bunch of questionable shit overseas which is how Mr Korvig ended up in hot water.In the "What the hell? / Totally not a spy" department,
Michael Kovrig lends support to ex-RCMP intelligence official found guilty of sharing secrets
The Crown is seeking 28 years behind bars for Cameron Ortis, saying during sentencing hearing that he jeopardized the safety of Canadians
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Canada intelligence operation put diplomats in legal âgrey zoneâ â report
Program – under scrutiny after imprisonment of Canadians in China – said to lack safeguards to protect officers overseas
www.theguardian.com
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Every Federal department SHOULD have an intelligence agency (you don't need to call it that) in house of some sort. Like Agriculture Canada who should have crop specialists who do nothing but study crops in other places, or the medical people that study and predict pandemics, the comms people study comms etc.
The issue is in my mind how does it all get coordinated as the crop guy might have a real good tidbit of info that may affect how other departments do their business. Intelligence is no good if you keep it to yourself. Also - if you have no idea what you're doing you MIGHT want to ask someone that does.
The issue is in my mind how does it all get coordinated as the crop guy might have a real good tidbit of info that may affect how other departments do their business. Intelligence is no good if you keep it to yourself. Also - if you have no idea what you're doing you MIGHT want to ask someone that does.
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Yes but they should have appropriate controls. My understanding is GACs was running around trying to pretend they were CSIS, without the appropriate diplomatic protections and coverage.
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The more I read/hear about GAC, the more I wonder why the CAF are the ones constantly getting thrown under the bus…
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Because “Canadian Military” is more sexy on a headline than “random Govt department”
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Fourteen years.
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