Smoking
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Etown
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Hmmmm...Fair? No. Reality of the job? Yes.
Honestly it‘s not exactly a healthy job. I remember when the range that I‘d just spent the last six weeks doing daily target practice at got shut down, apparently due to health concerns over an inadequate ventilation system.
Now granted it is different when you are aware of the situation and are able to control the outcome, such as in second hand smoke. But I guess it just doesn‘t bother me that much.
Honestly it‘s not exactly a healthy job. I remember when the range that I‘d just spent the last six weeks doing daily target practice at got shut down, apparently due to health concerns over an inadequate ventilation system.
Now granted it is different when you are aware of the situation and are able to control the outcome, such as in second hand smoke. But I guess it just doesn‘t bother me that much.
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I had read somewhere that as of Jan 01 2004 all dnd property will be non smoking.
As soon as I find the link i‘ll post it.
As soon as I find the link i‘ll post it.
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Dacier
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All DND property smoke free?? Including the whole base?
Right now, there is no smoking allowed in any building, everyone has to smoke in designated areas by a can to throw the buts in.
Right now, there is no smoking allowed in any building, everyone has to smoke in designated areas by a can to throw the buts in.
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The only reference I can find to the "No smoking on DND property" comes from a topic started in the Army Discussion forums, on the Army website.
Nowhere on the DND website can I find any mention of such program. All I could find was this, which simply defines the current smoking ban.
Although I am disgusted by smoking, I feel the current laws in place are enough. As long as the smoke stays outside, it‘s pretty much fine by me. Though I must admit, if I were to see a PT teacher or Combat Arms member out smoking, I‘d find it a little odd - since I feel they should be setting an example of a healthy lifestyle. But as mentioned before, what they wish to do with their own body is pretty much up to them.
Nowhere on the DND website can I find any mention of such program. All I could find was this, which simply defines the current smoking ban.
Although I am disgusted by smoking, I feel the current laws in place are enough. As long as the smoke stays outside, it‘s pretty much fine by me. Though I must admit, if I were to see a PT teacher or Combat Arms member out smoking, I‘d find it a little odd - since I feel they should be setting an example of a healthy lifestyle. But as mentioned before, what they wish to do with their own body is pretty much up to them.
Doug VT
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I F‘n hate the smokers in the back of carriers and ML‘s. I‘d like to put the smoke out in their eye then kick their *** out the back! One of my biggest pet peevs.
I would laugh for the rest of my career if that "policy" came true. I certainly wouldn‘t have the slightist bit of sympathy! HA
I would laugh for the rest of my career if that "policy" came true. I certainly wouldn‘t have the slightist bit of sympathy! HA
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Having just spent three weeks playing "On the ML, Off the ML", I don‘t think buddy lighting a cig for the ride back up top is any worse than sucking in lungful after lungful of heavy diesel exhaust and all the dust containing god-knows-what the trucks kick into the cargo bed where the troops are wedged in. Can‘t speak for the conditions in carriers, but second-hand smoke from one cig in an enclosed space doesn‘t hold a candle for carcinogen content to most of the stuff we use or are exposed to on a constant basis. Besides, life is a terminal disease, no one gets out alive. 
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JDG
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Are there any Navy guys here who know what the smoking policy is like on board ships? Are people allowed to smoke inside a ship‘s mess or common room? Or, do people have to go above deck to light up?
BTW: I‘m not a smoker myself, but am just curious.
BTW: I‘m not a smoker myself, but am just curious.
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Well after yaers of inhaling HCC1A1 Smoke,diesel fumes,dust, and god knows what else second hand smoke is the least of my worries.
I remember when the whole no-smoking thing started..I had to leave the hanger where we were performing F3 maintenance and smoke outside. (we had no designated smoking room)
FWIW- we had many of the 19 power packs on the ground, some even had their exhaust running outside. Diesel exhaust hung about 7 feet off the ground, so thick that you couldn‘t see through it....and I had to go outside to smoke?
Next "evolution" was no smoking inside, period. There were four of us, crouched inside the fibreglass shell of my 1/2 ton, January winds, Gageteown. Had over 80 years of service in the back of that truck. We really felt that we were valued...!!!!
Has to be a happy medium...the pendulum has been to both sides of the debate, time for cooler heads to prevail.
Cheers-Garry
FWIW- we had many of the 19 power packs on the ground, some even had their exhaust running outside. Diesel exhaust hung about 7 feet off the ground, so thick that you couldn‘t see through it....and I had to go outside to smoke?
Next "evolution" was no smoking inside, period. There were four of us, crouched inside the fibreglass shell of my 1/2 ton, January winds, Gageteown. Had over 80 years of service in the back of that truck. We really felt that we were valued...!!!!
Has to be a happy medium...the pendulum has been to both sides of the debate, time for cooler heads to prevail.
Cheers-Garry
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Our job requires us to perform dangerous jobs, often at great risk to ourselves. That being said, why should i be subjected to an unnessary risk? Cigarette smoke is different then fumes from a tank or vehicle. Ones a part of the job, another is a personal habit.
If someone was swinging around a knife in close proximity to other soldiers they would get jacked up. THe knife ‘probably‘ won‘t cut them, theres only a small chance it will but the chance is still there. Unnessary risk.
If someone was swinging around a knife in close proximity to other soldiers they would get jacked up. THe knife ‘probably‘ won‘t cut them, theres only a small chance it will but the chance is still there. Unnessary risk.
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Exactly.
I think most non smokers who say it doesnt bother them are just trying to not rock the boat. Usually (in my opinion) because when the average smoker hears someone criticise the habit, they have an enormous over reaction, and get near violently angry and will state that such an opinion is in violation of their rights.
Upon hearing the rebuttle "well what about my right to not have to inhale the toxic fumes from your (tobbacco product)?" you will usually get a response like "well you have a right to go somewhere else where you won‘t smell it", or some other extremely stubborn statement.
People get stubborn when they defend an illogical point of view, like a child demanding to know why they can‘t eat those cookies a 1/2 hour before dinner, they don‘t care that there is a valid reason, they just want their way. So they throw a fit.
Its hard to be reasonable, when you know even before you begin an argument, that you are clearly in the wrong. And I think the vast majority of smokers know that it is a harmful habit, and the wiser part of themselves wants to quit.
This is why the "Quit smoking" industry is laughing and rolling around in their money. They know the quickest fix is to just make a choice to quit, but they also know that if people feel as though they are making even a tiny effort (chewing nicotine gum, nicotine patches) they will feel good, and usually reward themselves with a few puffs, thereby perpetuating the cycle.
I think most non smokers who say it doesnt bother them are just trying to not rock the boat. Usually (in my opinion) because when the average smoker hears someone criticise the habit, they have an enormous over reaction, and get near violently angry and will state that such an opinion is in violation of their rights.
Upon hearing the rebuttle "well what about my right to not have to inhale the toxic fumes from your (tobbacco product)?" you will usually get a response like "well you have a right to go somewhere else where you won‘t smell it", or some other extremely stubborn statement.
People get stubborn when they defend an illogical point of view, like a child demanding to know why they can‘t eat those cookies a 1/2 hour before dinner, they don‘t care that there is a valid reason, they just want their way. So they throw a fit.
Its hard to be reasonable, when you know even before you begin an argument, that you are clearly in the wrong. And I think the vast majority of smokers know that it is a harmful habit, and the wiser part of themselves wants to quit.
This is why the "Quit smoking" industry is laughing and rolling around in their money. They know the quickest fix is to just make a choice to quit, but they also know that if people feel as though they are making even a tiny effort (chewing nicotine gum, nicotine patches) they will feel good, and usually reward themselves with a few puffs, thereby perpetuating the cycle.
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After 16 years of smoking, I quit in November of 2002.
Now that I‘ve lost that protective barrier of *tar* on my lungs, the other airborne irritants now take turns kicking my a$$.
Can‘t win, man...
Cheers!
P.S. Bonus: I no longer mistake my full beer can for the empty one I‘m using as an ashtray. Despite consuming butts as part of my drinking-from-the-boot initiation into the Line Trade, I don‘t make it a habit.
Now that I‘ve lost that protective barrier of *tar* on my lungs, the other airborne irritants now take turns kicking my a$$.
Can‘t win, man...
Cheers!
P.S. Bonus: I no longer mistake my full beer can for the empty one I‘m using as an ashtray. Despite consuming butts as part of my drinking-from-the-boot initiation into the Line Trade, I don‘t make it a habit.
