Some People Should Be Deported....

[GerryCan]

I stumbled upon this website, not sure if it's been up here before but I thought some of you might like to see that these idiots have to say about the military.

And please feel free to send them an email, I sure did.
http://www.members.shaw.ca/consciencecanada/index.html

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

I think I'll kindly suggest they go to where a war is right now and politely ask them to stop as this will allow us to spend less....WIN/WIN

 

[SHELLDRAKE!!]

If anyone is interested I will be starting a fund at the Royal Bank to provide these  intelligent Canadians with the airfare required to get them to Iraq where they will, im sure be able to convince local insurgents that we can all live in peace and harmony.After all as they have pointed out, the money wasted on the military can be spent best elsewhere and whats an extra 60,000 people out of work as long as they can sleep at night.

 

[aesop081]

This is the part where i remind myself that these people have the freedom to say shit like that because people like us are in the military.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

true...........but that doesn't mean we have to like them,  hehehe

 

[48Highlander]

Theirs has to be some of the worst logic I've ever seen.

"As conscientious objectors, we cannot pay if we know a portion of our taxes will support the military. Therefore we seek a separate account for this portion and the assurance this portion is used by the government for non-military purposes. This is not cosmetic. If the government then wishes to use other tax money for the military, that is their responsibility, and as Canadian citizens we will take part in the public debate about defence policy with our fellow citizens."

What in the hell is that?  Do they seriously beleive that just because a few thousand people suddenly say "we don't want our taxes used for war", that the government will have to invent a new form of taxation?  Are these people retarded?

"Until a CO Bill has passed into legislation, Conscience Canada provides a positive option for Conscientious Objectors to Military Taxation (COMTs) to deposit that portion of their income taxes into a Peace Tax Trust Fund as a formal objection to paying to kill. For the Fiscal Year ending March 31, 2003 federal government military-related expenditures, calculated on the basis of selected expenditures from the Public Account of Canada available to us at this time, amounted to 7.93% of the total government expenditures. There may be other expenditures related to defence that are in addition to this percentage. For information on how to divert the military portion of your taxes to the Peace Tax Trust Fund, click here."

They're right the f**k out of 'er.  So if I pay $10,000 a year in taxes, then ofcourse some of that goes to the army, but if I pay $9200, somehow the government will magicall know why I'm doing it and make sure that none of that money goes to the army.  Right.  Either the authors of this site suffered severe head trauma as infants, or they're just looking for a way to avoid paying taxes.

 

[HollywoodHitman]

I'm seldom ever lost for words......Ask my girlfriend.........I think if I sat in a room with some of those morons for long enough, they'd be able to change their organizations' name to "Unconcious Canada".

Please excuse me while I go hug a tree. Then log it.  :threat:

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Quote,
Please excuse me while I go hug a tree. Then log it. 

I'm stealing that one!!! ;D

 

[aesop081]

Bruce, i feel the same way........

As for the rest of their crap........their lack of brainwaves shows. I wonder if any of those idiots live here in Winnipeg, i'de like to ask them if any of us sandbagged their house in '97, took care of them during the winter of 98...anyways, you see where i'm going with this !!!

Cheers

Pat

 

[stukirkpatrick]

To see more of their great logic, read their FAQs...

Peace is a good ideal, but how would we stop the Hitlers of this world without war?

Nonviolent resistance is a viable alternative to war, and has been used successfully in many freedom struggles around the world, including the Danish resistance of Nazi occupation

I'm sure THAT would prevent ethnic cleansing/holocausts   :

 

[48Highlander]

I'm sure THAT would prevent ethnic cleansing/holocausts   :

Well, it would in a way.  Sooner or later all these sheep would be dead.  It's a win-win situation, they don't have to fight, and the invaders get the land they want with no tree huggers around to annoy them.  Hell, if we ever DID get invaded it might be worthwhile letting them try their methods first, before the army steps in.  Yeah I know we're here to protect ALL Canadians, but if it's a choice between having to listen to them whine about how horrible we are, or letting them commit mass-suicide....well, it's not really that tough of a choice now is it 

 

[FastEddy]

I'm seldom ever lost for words......Ask my girlfriend.........

Please excuse me while I go hug a tree. Then log it.  :threat:

Your a 100% right, hope fully right along with the other 4705 members of this Forum.

Just when you think you've heard and seen every-thing "BANG".

My first feelings about this is, it has all the ear markings of a gaint scam. However their will be gulible or people of the same mind set that will pay into it for the Taxation Year of 2004. Just imagine even if a small fractional  percentage does.

Refund ?, you've got a better chance of getting your money back from the Used Car Lot (the one on the old vacant lot down on the corner with a tent for a Office).

In closing my heart goes out to all the Men & Women who are or have Served their Country so well.
Who must suffer the slings & arrows and under mindings from people like this.

 

[pbi]

Sigh.....the joys of a free society.

As usual, the logic followed by these people leads to nonsense if followed to its ultimate conclusion. If we all refused to pay the portion of our taxes that we objected to on religious, social, moral, political, ethical, business or selfish grounds the government might be bit strapped for cash to do much including provide grants and other life support for gangs of twits such as these well-intentioned fools. Cheers.

 

[Ty]

I don't know what you're all complaining about- I these lads seem to be spot on.  Why should I pay for something I don't want?  While we're at it, I'm going to stop paying taxes for:

The TTC- hardly ever use it anymore.
Social assistance- hey I have a job, why should I pay someone else's way?
Health Care- I hardly use the hospitals, I'd rather pay on a per-visit basis.
All other parties except the one I voted for- why should I pay the salary of an MP that I didn't vote for- even if s/he won in my riding?
The CBC- they've showed some stories there that I disagree with, so give me my taxes back!
Taxes used for highways outside Toronto- again, hardly ever use them.]
Schools- Hey, I'm over and done with that.  Why should I pay for someone else's brats to get an education?

Man, this conscientious objector thing is fantastic.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Yeah, so when the Government doesn't get their 7.93% from someone, they immediately reduce the military's budget by that amount.  What a crock!

Like Canadians have never heard of deficit spending??

Or the 70 dollars Joe Schmoe withholds would really make a difference?

 

[Edward Campbell]

Sigh.....the joys of a free society.
...

To true - well done pbi and aesop081 for recognizing that you defend all the rights and freedoms of all the people, even, perhaps especially the nasty, bitter, deluded people.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Has anyone tried reporting these guys to the ISP - Shaw?  These guys are soooo serious about this they are using their free shaw webspace account, they don't pay for hosting or a domain name.

[email protected]

Is the email address for Shaw if anyone wants to send in a query.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Ah - here is the answer.

Well, at least free speech is alive and well! ;D

Hello
My name is Craig

Our abuse policy can be found at
https://secure.shaw.ca/policy/Use-Policy.asp
A cursory look at the site does not show anything illegal or against the
policy on it.
More specific questions can be directed to our abuse department at
[email protected]

Please feel free to contact us, the local phone number for technical support
can be found at http://support.shaw.ca/contacts.htm or visit our Customer
Support Site at http://support.shaw.ca

 

[sguido]

Re: Shaw's webspace policy...

6.   Webspace members agree not to:
(a)-invade another person's privacy; unlawfully use, possess, post, transmit or disseminate obscene, profane or pornographic material; post, transmit, distribute or disseminate content which is unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, slanderous, defamatory or otherwise offensive or objectionable; unlawfully promote or incite hatred; or post, transmit or disseminate objectionable information, including, without limitation, any transmissions constituting or encouraging conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any municipal, provincial, federal or international law, order or regulation;

Hmm...let's see...

These individuals @ CC are recommending that you not pay your full taxes to the government.

Does this not encourage unlawful behaviour?

Their own web site states that they won't guarantee you won't be held accountable for amounts in arrears.   So, are they saying break the law, and hope you don't get called out?

Promotion of civil disobedience is offensive and objectional.

Ladies & gentlemen, get to your keyboards and start typing your objections to:

[email protected]

I'm not against freedom of speech or opinion...I *am* against those who break the laws of this land!

 

[rw4th]

to defend freedom of conscience

Right, and just how do they expect to do this?

I've had similar discussions with people who oppose private firearms ownership. If you follow the argument through, it never makes sense. It always ends in something circular like:

Them: â Å“Well, you have to make sure you never get thereâ ?
Me: â Å“But what happens when you do. Even Hitler got himself electedâ ?
Them: â Å“Then you object, make sure you vote for the right peopleâ ?
Me: â Å“But by then, you won't be able to voteâ ?
Them: â Å“Well, you have to make sure you don't elect the people who will do thatâ ?

And it goes on in circles. These people just cannot bring themselves to accept that there are people in this world (I'd argue most) that just take what they want without asking and that the only way to deal with these people is to push back, and that doing that requires strength, violence, and the tools and will to implement it.

The problem is people like this only realize they were wrong when it's too late, usually while crying and saying things like â Å“how could this happen?â ?